I saw the MATRIX 2 thread SPOILERS ABOUND

[Andrew D. Gable]

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he will get to choose 23 people to rebuild Zion and restart the human race.

23! Behold the hand of the Illuminati!

Speculations - I'm thinking Persephone (if she's in the next one) will have a part to play, along with Smith. The Greek Persephone's dual nature, after all, maybe she can go back and forth between the Matrix and the real world like Neo and the gang.

Anyhow, was I the only one who thought maybe the next one won't end with the defeat of the machines? The whole conversation between the Counsellor and Neo about how we need machines, and they need us just seemed like a wee bit of foreshadowing. Maybe they'll learn to coexist? Drawing on what the Architect said, maybe the Matrix will learn to accept anomalies?

I really think the twins will be back in Revolutions. There wasn't any "closure" to them (AFAIK, they didn't die in the explosion). Is it just me, or when the Agent jumped onto the car with Trinity, Morpheus, Keymaker, and the Twin, did it seem to anyone else like he was shooting at the Twin moreso than the other folks? And the Twin shot back... possibly implies there's a bit more to them.

But I thought it was quite good. A bit slower than the first, and more dependent on story than kewl fight scenes, but good.

 

[Andrew D. Gable]

vampires

Well, back to Persephone again, at least one article I read called her a vampire. Whether that holds some meaning or not, I don't know. Personally, I thought that the alien quote referred to self-replicators, like Agent Smith - though one could argue that was vampires, as well.

 

[Welverin]

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I thought the twins were cool, but I don't think they used them enough.
I had an idea though, if the twins were supposed to be ghosts and the guards for the Veringion(or whatever the french pervert programs name was) were supposed to be werewolves (the lady did say they had to be killed with silver bullets), what then will vampires and aliens be? The oracle clearly named vampires and aliens when she was talking about rogue programs.

In early previews for Enter the Matrix it was mentioned that you would fight Vampires, and I believe other supernaturals as well, needless to say at the time I was rather baffled by that, but no longer. The game includes things not in the movie and it would appear Vampires are one of them.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don?t meet again.

Architect: We won?t.

At which point I was expecting Neo to pull and agent Smith on the Architect, boy was I wrong.

Well, back to Persephone again, at least one article I read called her a vampire. Whether that holds some meaning or not, I don't know.

I saw one where the actress referred to the character as an emotion/feeling vampire, she can?t feel anything herself so she leeches feelings from others.

 

[Dagger75]

At work last night I tried to simplify the movie for someone else.

The following dialouge is ficticious but I think it is kinda funny.

Me- "You know when you first get your computer, everything runs nice neat. Then you start adding programs and games, deleteing them and what not. The computer starts to slow down, files get corrupted, what do you do?"

Other Guy "Format and reinstall windows."

Me- "Yup Neo is a Windows XP CD and they are re-istalling the Matrix"

Other Guy- "Does that mean Agent Smith is like a pop up add. They just keep popping up, close one 2 new ones open"

Me- "You got it."

Other Guy- "So this Architech is basically Bill Gates. Do what I say or the whole world dies."

Me- "Basically."

Other Guy "What at the end where Neo is out of the Matrix and does that psionic stuff"

Me- "Well you know that Windows XP CD that NEO is, well it jumps out of the Computer and starts running around and then fries your mouse or something like that"

Other Guy "So let me get this straight, my computer is running slow and acting up, so I decide to re-intall windows. Bill Gates said I had to or the world dies. I put the CD in my computer but it jumps out and fries my mouse and then runs and hides plotting to destroy my computer."

Me- "Yup, we have to wait to Novemeber to see how your CD destroyed your mouse and whether your computer is completely fired."

Other Guy "I think I'm going to buy a Mac next time."

 

[Wayside]

Is the Oracle an all-wise Yoda character or is she in with the bad guys?

My guess is that the Oracle is a good guy. She was written to examine human nature; she already knows the choice Neo is going to make, and she says something like 'you're making me into a believer.' Besides, Seraph is too cool to be a bad guy.

And, if they use some lame recursive matrices plot, I will demand my money back when Revolutions comes out.

 

[Welverin]

And, if they use some lame recursive matrices plot, I will demand my money back when Revolutions comes out.

Guys you're forgetting, or not realizing, that Neo is a superhero and Reloded showed us he is in the real world and not just the Matrix.

Of course I could just be in denial of recursion.

 

[John Crichton]

I am torn.

I liked the movie overall. But I think I need to see it again before I make any statements that could get me flamed (in a peaceful, ENWorld-esque way) straight out of here.

I will say that I enjoyed more of the dialogue scenes than I did of the action scenes. The action scenes, while impressive, lacked something compared to the action of the first film. I loved the scenes with The Oracle, The Architect, Persephone and Merovingian. The twins were cool (and as an aside, I think they may have been the vampires rather than ghosts, but I can buy either).

I saw both of the twists coming, as they were foreshadowed big-time (not a problem there): the Smith-absorbed guy playing havoc @ Zion and the True History and Purpose of The One. I have a sneaking suspicion that The Architect was there as a fail-safe for The One. The machines know about The One and they know that he can't be controlled, only contained. The direction of the movie seems to be that Neo can do even more than even Morpheus believed he initially could.

I will see it again and may have to retract this but the action scenes seemed muted. Maybe because I felt little to no fear that anything bad would happen to the main characters. No sense of dread, no feeling of urgency.

But all that aside, I did enjoy it. And the fact remains that I need to see it again to answer some questions for myself. That is, I guess, a compliment. Maybe I'll know after the second viewing...

 

[Azlan]

On Zion - The Oracle was the one that said 99% of the humans would accept the Matrix if given the choice, even on a unconcious level. Maybe Zion is where the system spits out people that don't want to be part of the system. Then, every once in a while - it wipes Zion out and restarts it. Why? Having those discontented ones inside brings the system down. So, let em get out and go to Zion. Zion hence functions like the garbage bin of the Matrix.

But here's where it gets good... how was Neo able to bring down those sentinels in the real world? Maybe the real world isn't real at all but rather another level of the Matrix - this one designed for malcontents who won't be good little batteries unless they can rebel. But then that would mean that the Matrix triology would be ripping off The 13th Floor...

I found myself thinking along those same lines, during the exchange between Neo and the Architect. And when I saw Neo, in the supposed real world, zap those machines chasing them... ! Well, that really got me to thinking.

Indeed, if the inhabitants of Zion are simply those humans forced to live out in the real world after having not "chosen" the Matrix, why would the machines let them go, allowing them to live and habitate? It would be far more efficient and secure for the cold and calculating machines to simply exterminate those humans immediately upon their making the "wrong" choice.

But if Zion is just another level of the Matrix, then the machines can still be harvesting energy from their real-life bodies... !

Some people found the dialog between Neo and the Architect rather boring. But me, I found it to be one of the redeeming qualities of the movie.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Indeed, if the inhabitants of Zion are simply those humans forced to live out in the real world after having not "chosen" the Matrix, why would the machines let them go, allowing them to live and habitate? It would be far more efficient and secure for the cold and calculating machines to simply exterminate those humans immediately upon their making the "wrong" choice.

Haven't seen the movie (probably won't for a while) but, perhaps the process of allowing the humans to survive, so that they may then free other disenters to join them is what they need. The humans go in, and weed out the anomalies for the Matrix. The Oracle is the lady from the first? then she's working with the humans to help them get people out.

The machines would eliminate the disension, if they knew who it was, but they need Free Willed beings to track down their compatriots.

 

[coyote6]

I'm still wondering if the whole "humans-as-batteries" thing won't turn out to be yet another lie. After all, if Morpheus is living in the sixth Zion, and it has existed for 100 years, then it's probably been 600 years (and at least 225 -- five generations + Zion's current 100) since this whole thing started. So how the hell would they know why the machines were doing what they were doing, unless they learned it from the machines? And if the great Prophecy was a lie . . .

In any case, I liked the movie.