I want my Prestige classes

[LuYangShih]

whoa.


Didn't expect people to be the DM's side.

Why print so many Prestige classes every where then if they are not ment to be seen often? Why make them attainable at low levels of 4-6? Why not epic level instead?

Dosen't add up to me.

Prestige Classes are optional, not required. They are not "epic" because most campaigns do not last that long. There are epic level Prestige Classes for those that wish to take that route, however. Prestige Classes are supposed to help enhance player characters style, and hopefully the gameworld as well.

If they don't do that, then, as I said before, they become nothing more than "kewl powers", and lose any roleplaying meaning, and add nothing to either the gameworld or the player character who chooses to enter those classes, IMO. Prestige Classes are there for those who want to use them, and they are not required in any way.

 

[megamania]

Vander was a Fighter/Psychic Warrior from Darksun.

Something I holding back on was the fact there are two players trying to get prestige classes and thus have not been allowed to even though they are role playing it and kissing butt of the DM and NPC's that could teach them.

As far as leaving the group. I live in the middle on no where Vermont. The next group would be over an hour away drive, one way.

 

[Terraism]

As far as leaving the group. I live in the middle on no where Vermont. The next group would be over an hour away drive, one way.

Where are you at, Mega? When I'm not at school, I'm in VT, so I'm curious.

 

[Skarp Hedin]

I have the exact opposite problem, more or less.. I went and made some organizations with prestige classes and such, and no one wants to take levels in 'em, heh.

Well, I should say.. initially they didn't, but eventually they decided the classes looked interesting, so some of them went for it.

And yeah, in which middle of nowhere do you live? We've got several hereabouts, heh.

 

[Mouseferatu]

What do others think?

Well, I think that, by the rules of the game, your DM has the right to make this sort of decision. People tend to forget this, because they've appeared in so many products, but Prestige Classes are optional. That's why they're not in the DMG, not the Player's Handbook. (To say nothing of Rule 0, of course.)

However, that said, if several people in the group want them, the DM is probably making a mistake not allowing them. The objective is for everyone to enjoy the game, after all, and while the DM is responsible for designing the world--and for making sure that he's also having fun--its his responsibility to make sure everyone else is as well.

I'd say talk to him--politely. Ask him why he's reluctant to allow PrCs, and explain that you (and your friends) feel that you'd enjoy the characters more if you had those options. However, you must also be prepared to accept it if he still says no. At the end of the day, it is his decision.

 

[Hejdun]

Every single PC in the gameworld will have at least one Prestige Class, if it is unlimited, and the core classes will become nothing more than avenues to the Prestige Class of your choice.

Wait, hold the phones, you mean it's NOT like that already? Sure seems like it to me. I haven't heard of a single case of someone going with just core classes in the past few months, either in person or on messageboards.

I think the DM's decision makes sense, as PrCs have a tendency of overpowering PCs. There is rarely, if ever, a reason to go with a core class when you can have a PrC, simply because they are so powerful.

 

[Nightfall]

I agree with Mouse. While I DO limit Pr-classes, (campaign dependent mostly), I do think if players' want them, AND they can provide me a with a valid reasoning besides "it would be cool" I could go with it.

 

[arwink]

Wait, hold the phones, you mean it's NOT like that already? Sure seems like it to me. I haven't heard of a single case of someone going with just core classes in the past few months, either in person or on messageboards.

I think the DM's decision makes sense, as PrCs have a tendency of overpowering PCs. There is rarely, if ever, a reason to go with a core class when you can have a PrC, simply because they are so powerful.

This logic still befuddles me.

I'm a Prestige Class loving Dm (although add me to the list of people who side with megamania's DM, it's his call whether to exclude them from his game). I include dozens in my games. I buy books to get my hands on prestige classes. I modify them and create my own to flesh out my NPC's and organizations within the context of my game. If a player wants a PrC, all they have to do is ask and I'll work it into the game.

Since the advent of 3e, I've seen two Prestige classes taken in my games. One of those was for a very short lived Cohort. For the most part, my players aren't all that interested in Prestige Classes. They look at those on offer and say "Sure, it lets me do x and x and x, but look at what I'm giving up. I'd rather have that extra rage, new feat or added level of spell power." Those that have taken the Prestige classes have borne out this logic. They truly rocked the house when they dealt with things they were tailored for, but there were always moments when they regreted what they'd given up.

 

[megamania]

Where are you at, Mega? When I'm not at school, I'm in VT, so I'm curious.

Arlington in the NY/MASS cornner between Bennington and Manchester.

 

[Terraism]

Arlington in the NY/MASS cornner between Bennington and Manchester.

[Sigh.] Long ways away, then. I'm directly north of you, as far as one can go...