If I were a Big Game Company...

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Beside all the theories , the right thing is , from me , only one :

- Do you think that Eberron will be your next campaign setting ? Buy it
- Do you think that Eberron has innovative/cool ideas to sack for your homebrew campaign : Buy it
- You are a WOTC book collector and think that Eberron will look good on your shelf ? Buy it

None of the above : don't buy it and stomp it to the ground .
The market will decide the fate of the setting .

Only my 3cp
 

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Snoweel said:
Ok, firstly you watch your f***ing tone in my thread.

Tone it down, Snoweel, or the thread goes klunk. No edited swearing, no comments on erectile dysfunction. You know the rules here, so please use good sense.
 


Well for the record Keith Baker is Rich Bakers evil twin... err oh wait a minute, is that the other way around?

Oh for the love of pop tarts, where is that post it? :lol:
 

Snoweel said:

One minor point - The presence of Means, Motive, and Opportunity do not in and of themselves prove a thing was done. Your presentation lacks one very important element - hard evidence.

It is that lack that keeps this thing firmly in the realm of conspiracy theory. Rather than get mad at the condescending folks, you ought to be happy they do that. It helps ensure you aren't taken seriously. If you were taken seriously, but you had no actual proof, the whole thing gets filed under "libel", which isn't good at all...
 

Not Completely Mad...

First off, while I don't think that all of his conclusions are supportable, Snoweel does have a point. WotC did set up the contest, did suggest that the winner's campaign world would be published, and did make enough changes to that setting that the "major design elements" are not actually part of the original proposal. No doubt, this was brilliant marketing on WotC's part.

But, that said, certainly none of us expected the winner to be published without major revamp. Moreover, it was pretty obvious that, if WotC is judging which setting is best, WotC's priorities are going to play a good part in that judgment. They sell D&D. They wanted a new D&D setting. Should we be surprised that they chose a setting that works well with the previously published material?

You can go back to that one-sentence summation of Eberron, if you want, and work it into a completely different campaign setting. Would that be a cool world to play in? Probably. Could you make it so that most of the current books aren't needed/wouldn't work there? Probably.

The winner won because he came up with a good idea that also met WotC's business and asthetic needs. No conspiracy is required. Nor does WotC have to even codify their needs prior to running the contest. Which is the same, really, with anyone judging any sort of subjective contest anywhere.

RC
 

Snoweel said:
These signature elements weren't even a part of Eberron to start with!!! So where'd they come from? WotC's design department?
This has actually been clarified in multiple posts on the WotC message boards, but I'll give the short form here. And if you don't want to believe it, no problem -- I'm an Illuminati fan myself.

It's true, the warforged were not part of the original ten page proposal. I emphasize this because it was difficult to squeeze the world into 125 pages, let alone 10. In addition, I had intentionally limited the number of new races (though the kalashtar/Inspired and changelings were there from the start) because I guessed that the setting should focus on the core books, and thus I'd put a greater focus on defining the role of the core races in the world.

However, while warforged were not specifically mentioned, they were a perfect fit to the tone of the world. Eberron was always a place where magic was an integral part of advanced civilizations, and a major part of the idea (and again, at 10 pages, we're talking very broad strokes) was how magic might affect communications, transportation, and warfare. The warforged are simply an extension of that idea.

When WotC picked the final three, they brought each of the finalists to Seattle to talk about the settings and what caught their eye -- why the setting had made it to the final three. At this point, WotC was paying $20K for the world, and they knew what they liked about it -- but I didn't. I sat in a room with Bill, James, Christopher Perkins, and a few others and talked about the world: what I liked about it, what they liked about it, where I might go with it. There was no corporate mandate, no "You need a construct race because that's our vision." Instead, someone said "One of the things we'd like to see is more new races. Do you have any thoughts on that?" This evolved into a discussion of the way in which magic is a part of Eberron, and the idea of a construct race came up as something that hadn't been a focus in the past and that fit the idea of the world and the war. We discussed all sorts of different ways this could be addressed, from half-golems to what ultimately evolved into the warforged; I took those vague ideas from that conversation -- "It might be interesting to do something with constructs built for the war" -- and expanded upon it as I wrote the 125-page bible. When Eberron was finally chosen, James and Bill and I sat down again to discuss what I'd done with them, and what ideas they'd had based on that. I believe that brainstorming can produce some of the best ideas, and that's what this was. There was no WotC telling me what to do -- instead, it was those of us who were going to be working on the book talking about what excited us about the world and trying to find ways to build on that.


Snoweel said:
I was just trying to draw him into spelling it out, y'know?

As you wish. I meant it less as "this is a private joke", and more as "I'll shrug this off with a smile, even though you're insulting my creative ability and something I spent months and months working on." I assume that you didn't mean it as a personal attack, and were instead speaking hypothetically -- again, about what you would do if you were in charge. Conspiracy theories are fun, and life's a game. And hey, it could be the truth, you never know! Thus, all I can really do is be glad you weren't in charge, as I prefer my reality to your conspiracy. Or, as I said before... ;)
 
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