if your DM gave you 200,000 in magicals-what would you buy?

[Jdvn1]

yup forgot the scribe cost. 100gp/spell lvl.

Hm, Wizards seem pricey.

 

[MerakSpielman]

Hm, Wizards seem pricey.

And don't think people haven't bitched about it. Loudly. And frequently. And created house rules to compensate.

 

[Nail]

....(snip huge list of magic items) .....no where close to over powered!!!

Wow.

Well, I'm not sure how much clearer we have to be. A 12th level PC with 200,000gp has way too much stuff. Period.

Check out DMG (3.5e) p. 135: Character Wealth.

These "Monty Haul" PCs you keep putting up are strawmen. They are completely spurious examples. Of course a PC with sub-optimal equipment choices is less powerful than one with better equipment (and more wealth---400,000gp!!!). What does listing that out prove???

Nothing, that's what.

On average, PCs should have 88,000gp of wealth by 12th level. On average....but you are free to play anyway you like. Your PCs are just over-powered and atypical, that's all.

Hey, Monty Haul gaming can be fun too, I'm told.

 

[Nail]

Im going to go look at pre rolled pc's from random dungeons and add up what they have and they are usually bare boned!

Ah.

Now I'm beginning to see the problem.

You see, NPCs have different wealth than PCs. Completely different. Check out DMG (3.5e) p. 127 NPC Gear Value

The wealth levels matter; they're part of the balance of the game. This is completely intentional, and relates to APL vs. EL.

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

no no no the pc has to buy at market price all equipment magic etc....non magical making pc's get 150,000 total gp worth of stuff spell casters get 200,000 and this is already taking into consideration they make magicals..they must buy at market price all magical

Thorncrest

Only feats selected. He can hire people to cast spells. (Or buy spells when that's cheaper)

Sure, I'd say 150K to everyone. The mage can make his own and be 6k short on XP. That's a hella-deal right there. ONLY 200k? If they get 150k then you could (and should) make 300K woth of items.

Then you'll show them you'll SHOW THEM ALL!!!

 

[diaglo]

Hm, Wizards seem pricey.

that cost is actual for the number of pages used in the spellbook.

and spellbooks only have 100 pages.

so the wizard in question might have to purchase a few more books.

which are again even more costly.

 

[Nail]

0th: 112.5gp (starting wizards get all PHB cantrips for free)
1st: 125gp
2nd: 350gp
3rd: 675gp
4th: 1100gp
5th: 1625gp
6th: 2250gp

Could you break these down for me? What part is for scribing, what part for borrowing someone else's spellbook, etc.

 

[Victim]

the below is a monte hall 13th fighter type vs a normal 13th level fighter


13th level monte hall fighter

Bastard sword +5 keen & wounding = 128,000
Shield +5 w/ ghost touch = 64,000
Full Plate +5 w/ heavy fortification = 100,000
Helm of greater sonic resistance DR30 =66,000
X bow of speed +3 w/speed = 72,000
Gauntlets of giant str +6 = 36,000 ( Im guessing)
ok so this guy is monte hall and I kept it pretty basic and he is over 400,000

a norm fighter with the 200,000 limit

+3 bastard sword of speed 72,000 gp
+3 steel shield 9,250 gp
+3 full plate 10,650 gp
a few potions = 3,000 gp
ring of Mind shielding 8,000 gp
ring of Protection +4 32,000 gp
rod of flame estinguishing 15,000 pg
Bag of holding type I 2,500 gp
Cloak of resistance +3 9,000 gp
Horseshoes of speed 3,000 gp

this is already over 160,00 so now he needs a mount supplies, tools weapons A home maybe
equipment etc etc.no where close to over powered!!!

Thorncrest

Yeah, and compare that to the 110k a normal 13th level character has or to the pathetic 35k a 13th level NPC has.

Tools, equipment, mundane back up weapons, and a normal mount can cost under a 1k gold, unless you go crazy with a MW mighty +4 bow.

Due to the insane costs for property, we generally handwave things like houses. When peasant huts are 1000 gp, something is wrong. Of course, that only goes for normal property. If your high level character wants to own a house that isn't an easy target for 5th level characters, much less high level foes, then he has to start paying out. But if he doesn't, well, have fun coming home to a house that your enemies have loaded with glyphs and explosive runes.

 

[MerakSpielman]

Could you break these down for me? What part is for scribing, what part for borrowing someone else's spellbook, etc.

These are the prices for purchasing scrolls and scribing the spells into your own spellbook. You would have to gain DM permission to assume you can find another wizard willing to let you look at their spellbook - their willingness to do so could vary greatly from campaign to campaign.

I think this is correct:

0th:
Scroll: 12.5gp
Scribing: 100gp
Pages: 1

1st:
Scroll: 25gp
Scribing: 100gp
Pages: 1

2nd:
Scroll: 150gp
Scribing: 200gp
Pages: 2

3rd:
Scroll: 375gp
Scribing: 300gp
Pages: 3

4th:
Scroll: 700gp
Scribing: 400gp
Pages: 4

5th:
Scroll: 1125gp
Scribing: 500gp
Pages: 5

6th:
Scroll: 1650gp
Scribing: 600gp
Pages: 6

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

I would like to see someone post their 13th level pc Wizard with 88,000 worth of everything put together......Thats 1 cloak of the Archmagi and 1 low to mid ring thats it....
please post your character, any character even a 13th fighter, barbarian at 88,000...maybe by the book it says one thing but unless your playing in a low magic campaign (which we do 1/2 the time-and thats my favorite) then I would say its almost impossible.

For any one to suggest 88,000 is the average 13th or even 12th level pc I would say again maybe your reading that in the book but you would almost surely be killed by this level if your playing with that or you are loosing magics somethings going on.

Thorncrest

Wow.

Well, I'm not sure how much clearer we have to be. A 12th level PC with 200,000gp has way too much stuff. Period.

Check out DMG (3.5e) p. 135: Character Wealth.

These "Monty Haul" PCs you keep putting up are strawmen. They are completely spurious examples. Of course a PC with sub-optimal equipment choices is less powerful than one with better equipment (and more wealth---400,000gp!!!). What does listing that out prove???

Nothing, that's what.

On average, PCs should have 88,000gp of wealth by 12th level. On average....but you are free to play anyway you like. Your PCs are just over-powered and atypical, that's all.

Hey, Monty Haul gaming can be fun too, I'm told.