I'm beginning to dislike Netflix (re: Archive 81, 1899, Warrior Nun etc cancellations)

You know what's funny about Wheel of Time? The ending of the show is actually clearer about what happens at The Eye of the World than the book is. And it's still about as clear as mud.
Very true and very sad lol.

As someone who has read that book, I thought it was like, not a bad adaption, but like, man that's a hard book to adapt.
Augh. Binge watching is just terrible. It kills any sort of hype or community around a show and I find it really difficult to hold my attention that long. Move to a weekly release schedule with no breaks, and create an official Netflix Message board where people can engage one another about the show! Drive interaction to the roof!
Yeah it's dreadful and I feel like it's outdated, because I just don't watch stuff that way anymore. Not regularly.

Unfortunately they tried the "messageboard" approach, but they completely failed to publicise it, despite making some kind of incredible content, that was NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to find lol. So then they fired everyone (mainly talented PoCs sigh) who they'd binge-hired to create content for it.
 

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Mercurius

Legend
@Ruin Explorer, we're clearly very different with regards to this issue, light years away really, so I'd suggest that we save ourselves (and everyone else) the grief of further discussion on the matter. We agree on some other things, so maybe let's keep our interactions to those topics ;-). Peace.
 

amethal

Adventurer
What's your opinion on binge watching, Snarf? I feel like it's kind of a blight on entertainment.
I'm not Snarf, but my answer might depend on what your definition of binge watching is.

My wife and I rarely have time to sit down and watch TV together, so when we do we tend to watch 3 or 4 episodes of something in an evening. Then we'll watch another 4 episodes the next time we can manage it.

I suppose we could watch one episode of 4 different things, but it's nicer to just have the "what shall we watch" conversation once rather than 4 times.

Also, our time is limited so we only ever watch "good" shows i.e. things that come recommended. But we then like to give the show a fair chance, so unless we really don't like the first episode we watch a few more afterwards.
 

Undrave

Hero
I'm not Snarf, but my answer might depend on what your definition of binge watching is.

My wife and I rarely have time to sit down and watch TV together, so when we do we tend to watch 3 or 4 episodes of something in an evening. Then we'll watch another 4 episodes the next time we can manage it.

I suppose we could watch one episode of 4 different things, but it's nicer to just have the "what shall we watch" conversation once rather than 4 times.

Also, our time is limited so we only ever watch "good" shows i.e. things that come recommended. But we then like to give the show a fair chance, so unless we really don't like the first episode we watch a few more afterwards.
When I talk of binging I mean situation where the season drops one morning and the next day you already have Youtube videos with titles like "WHAT DOES THE END OF SEASON 2 MEANS FOR GERTRUDE AND OVILLA?!" or "EVERYTHING YOU MISSED IN SEASON 2 OF POPULAR SHOW!" (usually with a spoiler in the thumbnail) and you're expected to watch every single episode as fast as possible, within the first few days.
 

payn

Legend
Very true and very sad lol.

As someone who has read that book, I thought it was like, not a bad adaption, but like, man that's a hard book to adapt.

Yeah it's dreadful and I feel like it's outdated, because I just don't watch stuff that way anymore. Not regularly.

Unfortunately they tried the "messageboard" approach, but they completely failed to publicise it, despite making some kind of incredible content, that was NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to find lol. So then they fired everyone (mainly talented PoCs sigh) who they'd binge-hired to create content for it.
I could see another possible creep coming; the dreaded .5 season. Start getting 3-5 episode dumps 2-3 times a year to keep folks wanting more and talking about it longer.
 

I could see another possible creep coming; the dreaded .5 season. Start getting 3-5 episode dumps 2-3 times a year to keep folks wanting more and talking about it longer.
Yes and the real effect is that only 30% of the people who watched the initial season even notice that the later portion of the season came out. So it's a total self-own.
 

payn

Legend
Yes and the real effect is that only 30% of the people who watched the initial season even notice that the later portion of the season came out. So it's a total self-own.
AMC is so shameless in this. I busted out laughing a few months ago when I saw an ad "The Walking Dead...The Final Season....Part Three!" I had given up long ago and didn't miss it. This was just too much.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
What's your opinion on binge watching, Snarf? I feel like it's kind of a blight on entertainment.

I ... I have complicated feelings about binge watching. So complicated I am sure I wrote a 20,000 word essay about it at some point. ;)

Anyway. I am so conditioned to binge watching that I find it almost impossible to watch TV shows the "old way" anymore. I will deliberately wait until a season (minimum) is ready to go so that I can watch them all. The few exceptions are, unsurprisingly, some buzzy HBO shows (like White Lotus).

That said, I don't necessarily think it's great for most serialized TV. A lot of shows that are released as "binge-able" shows suffer from pacing problems, perhaps caused because they are meant to be binged- why worry about pacing when they are going to be consumed at once. It also makes it really hard to talk to other people about shows; with a very few exceptions, there's no "water cooler shows," and no shows people are watching at the same time ... except for live sports, really.

Like a lot of things in society, I think it is great individually but bad in the aggregate. In other words, I love it for me, but hate what it's doing overall. If that makes sense.
 


payn

Legend
I ... I have complicated feelings about binge watching. So complicated I am sure I wrote a 20,000 word essay about it at some point. ;)

Anyway. I am so conditioned to binge watching that I find it almost impossible to watch TV shows the "old way" anymore. I will deliberately wait until a season (minimum) is ready to go so that I can watch them all. The few exceptions are, unsurprisingly, some buzzy HBO shows (like White Lotus).

That said, I don't necessarily think it's great for most serialized TV. A lot of shows that are released as "binge-able" shows suffer from pacing problems, perhaps caused because they are meant to be binged- why worry about pacing when they are going to be consumed at once. It also makes it really hard to talk to other people about shows; with a very few exceptions, there's no "water cooler shows," and no shows people are watching at the same time ... except for live sports, really.

Like a lot of things in society, I think it is great individually but bad in the aggregate. In other words, I love it for me, but hate what it's doing overall. If that makes sense.
Some good observations and experiences here. I think the bombardment doesn't help either. Take The Last of Us, a lot of folks are saying, "more zombies?" or Tulsa King "more mobsters?" or even Yellowstone "more westerns?". These genres seem to come and go in their popularity. Its the real revolutionary shows that make a difference like The Sopranos which you then see disseminated into all the other shows and genres. There is only so many ways to skin a cat, and folks attention is fickle.

Now 20 years ago, network TV was king. Folks didn't have streaming and on demand. They had to settle for appointment TV which consolidated their experiences and also limited them. It was much easier to talk about shows because there was fewer of them, and notice the innovations among them because they were more unique. Its very difficult to reach that aggregate, but it still happens. How to capitalize on it when it does is the million dollar question. Podcast? Talking Dead/Bad/Etc... Twitter?

Is it crucial and something should be done about it? I suppose being able to measure ratings and keep good things going is ideal. Does it make entertainment better? This is something I don't necessarily agree with. I think entertainment now is better than it has ever been. A real golden age of television/stream. Never has their been this much variety in genre and quality due to competition. Entertainment has changed and folks just are not sure what to think of it. The default often is that its worse because folks just don't like change.

"The only constant in life is change" -Bob Dylan exactly.
 

bloodtide

Adventurer
I just think of the way my own TV watching has changed:

As a kid I was 100% at the mercy of the three whole networks. If the printed TV Guide did not tell you when a show might be on...well, you could guess. Or just watch the network...maybe even see a comericial for it. But you had to be by a TV to watch it...this had people 'racing' home. And if you missed an episode...well, too bad....though you might catch it on a re run.

By my teens we had cable...a massive 30 some channels, but only a very few new shows. But other then the networks, the UHF stations started to show new TV shows too. Though we also had another amazing device: The VCR. Now I could do whatever, and watch the show later. I would even wait a couple weeks and then watch all the shows at once.

By my 20s I watched little TV. The thing that brought me back were the uncensored shows on HBO, like OZ and the Sprannos. By this time cable stations would run older shows everyday, and some UHF stations would run a bunch of one show on the weekends. So I could catch up a lot on older shows.

By my 30s I watched some shows...but few live. With DVR and ON Demand, I could watch when I wanted to. And even here I'd save shows to watch in blocks.

By recent times I still only watch a few shows....but now I only stream shows. I hardly watch anything "live" or "current". In just the last couple years I have been burned too many times: see a good show, watch a couple, and bam, it's cancelled. So to avoid that, I skip such shows and look for ones with more seasons. Now it's "binge watching", but I've been doing it forever. I don't watch each week, I wait until the end of the season so I can watch blocks.

Waiting a WEEK between shows.....yea, I will never do that again.
 

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bloodtide

Adventurer
I think some good fixes for Netflix...and really all the other streaming ones.

Make seasons 20 plus episodes. Drop the pathetic 9-13 episode seasons. Yea, they are "cheaper", but every episode does not have to cost a billion dollars.

Just think of any show you like...would you like ten more episodes? They don't need to be billion dollar exotic location CGI Spam fests. "Bottle Shows" would be just fine: even better would be a nice Character Episode for EACH character on the show.

Then, maybe Netflix could commit to Three Seasons, so shows could space out an arc. Then there won't be any sudden cancellations.
 

Haplo781

Legend
I think some good fixes for Netflix...and really all the other streaming ones.

Make seasons 20 plus episodes. Drop the pathetic 9-13 episode seasons. Yea, they are "cheaper", but every episode does not have to cost a billion dollars.

Just think of any show you like...would you like ten more episodes? They don't need to be billion dollar exotic location CGI Spam fests. "Bottle Shows" would be just fine: even better would be a nice Character Episode for EACH character on the show.

Then, maybe Netflix could commit to Three Seasons, so shows could space out an arc. Then there won't be any sudden cancellations.
Shorter seasons are actually better for creators. Not only do you spend more per episode and increase the production value, you don't have to do filler episodes. Plus it's way less stressful to do 12 episodes in a year vs. 20 and you don't have to hire as many writers.
 

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