I'm beginning to dislike Netflix (re: Archive 81, 1899, Warrior Nun etc cancellations)


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I find I do not have time or don't make enough time to watch shows anymore and there are quite a few good shows I have queued so it is not about the quality of the shows. If the day arrives when I consider cancelling it is not because Netflix or whoever cancels a particular show but rather how I don't make the time to consume the streaming platform's content.

EDIT: The last time I can recall when someone cancelled a show I really enjoyed, was Netflix's western Damnation and Ray Liotta's Smith.
 
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payn

Legend
I think some good fixes for Netflix...and really all the other streaming ones.

Make seasons 20 plus episodes. Drop the pathetic 9-13 episode seasons. Yea, they are "cheaper", but every episode does not have to cost a billion dollars.

Just think of any show you like...would you like ten more episodes? They don't need to be billion dollar exotic location CGI Spam fests. "Bottle Shows" would be just fine: even better would be a nice Character Episode for EACH character on the show.

Then, maybe Netflix could commit to Three Seasons, so shows could space out an arc. Then there won't be any sudden cancellations.
SyFy channel has been running Charmed around the clock. Must have been a discount for syndication? Anyways, that show demonstrates exactly what a 20 episode season stretch gets you on average. Folks remember the absolute best shows, but forget how much chaff came with that wheat. I'll take the better production values any day of a 8-10 episode season.
 

Ryujin

Legend
SyFy channel has been running Charmed around the clock. Must have been a discount for syndication? Anyways, that show demonstrates exactly what a 20 episode season stretch gets you on average. Folks remember the absolute best shows, but forget how much chaff came with that wheat. I'll take the better production values any day of a 8-10 episode season.
Could be worse. Our version of SyFy in Canada doesn't seem to know what actually qualifies as SciFi or Fantasy. Yesterday they played stuff like "Con Air" and "Midway" all day.
 


Ryujin

Legend
The U.S. channel is pretty much the same.
They should trade their playlists with The History Channel. "Midway" belongs there and I think that "Ancient Aliens" qualifies as SciFi. "The Curse of Oak Island" is pretty close to fantasy (reality, not the genre).
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
SyFy channel has been running Charmed around the clock. Must have been a discount for syndication? Anyways, that show demonstrates exactly what a 20 episode season stretch gets you on average. Folks remember the absolute best shows, but forget how much chaff came with that wheat. I'll take the better production values any day of a 8-10 episode season.

I just finished watching The Bear on hulu.

Could they have done more the 8 episodes? Probably. Eh, definitely.

But there is nothing that I would change.

I do think we tend to overlook how good the "old shows" could be ... it is quite a feat to hit 20-23 episodes, year after year, and maintain a level of quality that keeps drawing you back in. The best shows, the warhorse, could ensure that even the chaff was pretty good, and the best episodes were amazing. And they kept at it until the hit the magic 100 episode mark! I mean ... how many prestige television shows do that? None. None of them do, any more.

But you get something like The Office, of Buffy, or Seinfeld, or Airwolf,* or Cheers, or (going back) the three seasons of Star Trek:TOS which had 79 (!!!) episodes - any of the classics. Sure, there was filler, but it really stands out how impressive it was that the hit rate with the longer seasons of the classic shows is so high.

*Jan-Michael Vincent- the greatest actor of his generation, or of any generation?
 

payn

Legend
I just finished watching The Bear on hulu.

Could they have done more the 8 episodes? Probably. Eh, definitely.

But there is nothing that I would change.

I do think we tend to overlook how good the "old shows" could be ... it is quite a feat to hit 20-23 episodes, year after year, and maintain a level of quality that keeps drawing you back in. The best shows, the warhorse, could ensure that even the chaff was pretty good, and the best episodes were amazing. And they kept at it until the hit the magic 100 episode mark! I mean ... how many prestige television shows do that? None. None of them do, any more.

But you get something like The Office, of Buffy, or Seinfeld, or Airwolf,* or Cheers, or (going back) the three seasons of Star Trek:TOS which had 79 (!!!) episodes - any of the classics. Sure, there was filler, but it really stands out how impressive it was that the hit rate with the longer seasons of the classic shows is so high.

*Jan-Michael Vincent- the greatest actor of his generation, or of any generation?
I'll take Dirk Benedict.
a-team-imagines a-team GIF


A lot of that has to do with how television worked back then. It was so episodic because your chances of having a captive audience was pretty low. So, the shows had to be rather simple with a meme like hook. "This is the project montage part!" The quality of the writing relied on entirely different aspects than they do today. It's not that impressive, at least for me, and don't want that era of television coming back. YMMV.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
I'll take Dirk Benedict.
a-team-imagines a-team GIF


A lot of that has to do with how television worked back then. It was so episodic because your chances of having a captive audience was pretty low. So, the shows had to be rather simple with a meme like hook. "This is the project montage part!" The quality of the writing relied on entirely different aspects than they do today. It's not that impressive, at least for me, and don't want that era of television coming back. YMMV.

I'm not making an argument in bringing it back, at all. I love me my modern TV.

It's more an appreciation of how difficult it was to make those programs, especially the stand-out ones. It's not a defense of shows like the A-Team of Hart to Hart, so much as an appreciation of some of the true gems and how difficult it was to make that many shows, year in and year out.
 


bloodtide

Adventurer
SyFy channel has been running Charmed around the clock. Must have been a discount for syndication? Anyways, that show demonstrates exactly what a 20 episode season stretch gets you on average. Folks remember the absolute best shows, but forget how much chaff came with that wheat. I'll take the better production values any day of a 8-10 episode season.
Except the problem is that ten episode seasons are not all ways "beyond great". You will still get 3-4 waste of shows, but out of 10 shows that is about half the season. It's bad enough too many shows do a good shows 1 and 2, then just have filler for 3-9, then suddenly have a good show for 10.

I get the super LAZY showrunners don't have to work hard. They can sort of "work" and put out ten short, easy episodes for a couple weeks, then party for the rest of the year living of the fame of "yea I made show X".

Maybe do two show runners a show? Hire one "super awesome vision wants to make the show and party" dude and then hire one much more normal grounded non-Hollywood person to do the other epsiodes.
 

Haplo781

Legend
Except the problem is that ten episode seasons are not all ways "beyond great". You will still get 3-4 waste of shows, but out of 10 shows that is about half the season. It's bad enough too many shows do a good shows 1 and 2, then just have filler for 3-9, then suddenly have a good show for 10.

I get the super LAZY showrunners don't have to work hard. They can sort of "work" and put out ten short, easy episodes for a couple weeks, then party for the rest of the year living of the fame of "yea I made show X".

Maybe do two show runners a show? Hire one "super awesome vision wants to make the show and party" dude and then hire one much more normal grounded non-Hollywood person to do the other epsiodes.
When you're the one fronting the 200 million a season you can certainly try that approach.
 


MGibster

Legend
It's more an appreciation of how difficult it was to make those programs, especially the stand-out ones. It's not a defense of shows like the A-Team of Hart to Hart, so much as an appreciation of some of the true gems and how difficult it was to make that many shows, year in and year out.
Oh, my God! Hart to Hart ended almost 40 years ago. I don't know what weirder, you bringing it up or me knowing exactly what it was. I even remember their employee Max and that little dog of theirs.
 

payn

Legend
Except the problem is that ten episode seasons are not all ways "beyond great". You will still get 3-4 waste of shows, but out of 10 shows that is about half the season. It's bad enough too many shows do a good shows 1 and 2, then just have filler for 3-9, then suddenly have a good show for 10.

I get the super LAZY showrunners don't have to work hard. They can sort of "work" and put out ten short, easy episodes for a couple weeks, then party for the rest of the year living of the fame of "yea I made show X".

Maybe do two show runners a show? Hire one "super awesome vision wants to make the show and party" dude and then hire one much more normal grounded non-Hollywood person to do the other epsiodes.
Sounds like the Amazon template, and yeah that can be a problem. Though, many 8-10 episode seasons of shows escape filler toss aways.
 


bloodtide

Adventurer
What exactly do you do for a living? Because it's clear by your posts that it's not anywhere near a creative industry.
Writer/Content Creator/Producer/ and I breed rabbits.

Look I understand that lots of people would hate the 24 a season hour long episode shows...and you know what, that is fine.

You can go right ahead and watch three other short shows and be all like "wow, all three of them shows were great, too bad they got canceled" . Me, and others in the same amount of time will watch one season of one show.

I had another idea, only for us big long season watchers: Break the "story" of a "fictional universe" into SEVERAL shows.

Like take a show Dark Road: Outlaw. It's an awesome 'western' like 'bad boy' show. Billy gets out of jail and zooms off on his bike to a small town of Zumo. Can he make a life for himself and obey the law? It's a super short super expensive CGI spam fest for eight whole episodes. A typical streaming show.

But ALSO, at the same time you have Dark Road: Sheriff . The sheriff of Zumo. He is tough and keeps law and order in his small town. How does he react when the Outlaw comes to town? It's a super short super expensive CGI spam fest for eight whole episodes. A typical streaming show.

And ALSO at the same time you have Dark Road: Jolene. The sheriffs daughter. Will she follow in her dad's footsteps or strike off on her own with.....The Outlaw? It's a super short super expensive CGI spam fest for eight whole episodes. A typical streaming show.

So see the "normal" viewer can just randomly watch each short show and be happy as a clam. But for the OTHER viewers, it is a massive INTERCONNECTED story of 24 EPISODES.

Though you don't "have to" watch all the shows. You could just watch Outlaw and be all happy "wow, he jumpped his bike over eight CGI spam pick up trucks that exploded, it was so cool" and then move on to the next random show they want to watch.
 

Haplo781

Legend
Writer/Content Creator/Producer/ and I breed rabbits.

Look I understand that lots of people would hate the 24 a season hour long episode shows...and you know what, that is fine.

You can go right ahead and watch three other short shows and be all like "wow, all three of them shows were great, too bad they got canceled" . Me, and others in the same amount of time will watch one season of one show.

I had another idea, only for us big long season watchers: Break the "story" of a "fictional universe" into SEVERAL shows.

Like take a show Dark Road: Outlaw. It's an awesome 'western' like 'bad boy' show. Billy gets out of jail and zooms off on his bike to a small town of Zumo. Can he make a life for himself and obey the law? It's a super short super expensive CGI spam fest for eight whole episodes. A typical streaming show.

But ALSO, at the same time you have Dark Road: Sheriff . The sheriff of Zumo. He is tough and keeps law and order in his small town. How does he react when the Outlaw comes to town? It's a super short super expensive CGI spam fest for eight whole episodes. A typical streaming show.

And ALSO at the same time you have Dark Road: Jolene. The sheriffs daughter. Will she follow in her dad's footsteps or strike off on her own with.....The Outlaw? It's a super short super expensive CGI spam fest for eight whole episodes. A typical streaming show.

So see the "normal" viewer can just randomly watch each short show and be happy as a clam. But for the OTHER viewers, it is a massive INTERCONNECTED story of 24 EPISODES.

Though you don't "have to" watch all the shows. You could just watch Outlaw and be all happy "wow, he jumpped his bike over eight CGI spam pick up trucks that exploded, it was so cool" and then move on to the next random show they want to watch.
Well, best of luck with your Dark Road cinematic universe. I hope you can get enough grounded non-Hollywood people involved to make it a success.
 

Sabathius42

Bree-Yark
My wife and I liked it. For an American audience the first couple of episodes are a little slow, but I think the time they took pays off in the long run.
I think Dark worked because the characters where never much in a place where there would be large crowds.

1899 felt off because the ship never felt BIG. Other than a single scene in the fancy dining hall there never seemed to be more than 15 or so people in any shot.

It's not bad, but I'd recommend a lot of movies/shows before it.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
1899 felt off because the ship never felt BIG. Other than a single scene in the fancy dining hall there never seemed to be more than 15 or so people in any shot.

To each their own, I suppose. I got different impressions, some of them plot-relevant, so I won't speak to them.
 

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