DragonLancer
Hero
I think 3.5 will be around and played a lot more than 4th ed will be. The OGL will ensure that anyone can continue to put our material for 3.5 a slong as people want it.
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DM_Jeff
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>>>>My question is this: How many of you think that even if/when 4e is released, 3.0/3.5 will carry on as a viable subculture? Will there be die-hard 3.5 players for years and years to come?
I DM two groups for 5 players each, and an occassional game for 4 players. Out of nearly 15 players in my group, when we discussed this recently, everyone is totally happy with 3.5 and would be glad if I stuck with that for the remaining 40 or so planned campaigns I have ready to last me well after retirement. Everyone loves the rules and thinks by 4e time our wallets could use the break anyway. Without something huge and major and unforseen, all my players and I will happily continue to play, and support, 3.5 D&D.
EDIT: Just thought of this. These same players I have been gaming with, many, since the 80's. Well all wanted 2nd Edition, and 3rd edition, and embraced 3.5, because we all felt something was needing improvement or missing or broken. None of us feel that anymore.
-DM Jeff
I DM two groups for 5 players each, and an occassional game for 4 players. Out of nearly 15 players in my group, when we discussed this recently, everyone is totally happy with 3.5 and would be glad if I stuck with that for the remaining 40 or so planned campaigns I have ready to last me well after retirement. Everyone loves the rules and thinks by 4e time our wallets could use the break anyway. Without something huge and major and unforseen, all my players and I will happily continue to play, and support, 3.5 D&D.
EDIT: Just thought of this. These same players I have been gaming with, many, since the 80's. Well all wanted 2nd Edition, and 3rd edition, and embraced 3.5, because we all felt something was needing improvement or missing or broken. None of us feel that anymore.
-DM Jeff
masshysteria
Explorer
It also depends on how "invested" people are in 3.5E. Personally, I don't own many 3.5E books beyond the core rules. So if 4E is a nice improvement, I'll go that direction. My 3.5 book will just end up on eBay when I'm done with 3.5 gaming.
I contrast this with the new Star Wars Saga Edition that is coming out. I have quite a few books from the original rules and the revised rules. The new Saga previews look great, but I really don't want to have to start buying a whole new line of Star Wars books. As a result, I'm not sure if I'll make the jump and keep my old books, make the jump and sell my old books, or just stick with the old books.
I contrast this with the new Star Wars Saga Edition that is coming out. I have quite a few books from the original rules and the revised rules. The new Saga previews look great, but I really don't want to have to start buying a whole new line of Star Wars books. As a result, I'm not sure if I'll make the jump and keep my old books, make the jump and sell my old books, or just stick with the old books.
smootrk
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I do indeed have enough 3.x material to last me for the foreseeable future. I expect to skip any 4ed or similar offering, just as I effectively skipped 2ed without missing out on anything. Finding a game has never been too difficult, and I suspect that if I wanted to play 1ed or even something more obscure like original Star Frontiers, that I could put together some who are wanting for some nostalgia. (which btw, I still prefer the old SF method of small xp awards that could be used in a variety of ways for character building).
WhatGravitas
Explorer
The main point of 3.5 is probably the OGL material. If you have a group who accepts all rule sets, yeah, then you'll play 3.5/SRD/OGL - or 4E - whatever you like. Since there is no "bad" d20, due to the wide selection, you'll most probably play some kind of house ruled 3.5 with your likings.
If you're not playing with your trusted group you're gaming with for years (who are also well-invested into D&D v3.5), you'll most probably play 4E.
Heck, I think most people still play some kind of bizarro 3.0, because I see confusions of the 3.0 and 3.5 rule sets about once a week here and on the WotC-boards!
This will happen with 4E as well. The comparison to 2E doesn't hold that true: 3E is a very streamlined (the d20) system, that is far more adaptable to whatever you want. 2E... was sometimes messy, from what I've seen (never played, just read the core books).
If you're not playing with your trusted group you're gaming with for years (who are also well-invested into D&D v3.5), you'll most probably play 4E.
Heck, I think most people still play some kind of bizarro 3.0, because I see confusions of the 3.0 and 3.5 rule sets about once a week here and on the WotC-boards!
This will happen with 4E as well. The comparison to 2E doesn't hold that true: 3E is a very streamlined (the d20) system, that is far more adaptable to whatever you want. 2E... was sometimes messy, from what I've seen (never played, just read the core books).
Olgar Shiverstone
Legend
I had enough 1e and B/XD&D material to last a lifetime, but it didn't stop me from buying 3E or 3.5E. Now I've got more 3.X material than I could ever use.
Will I buy 4E? Don't know. Depends on what it looks like. If they make the changes many people here would propose (classless/levelless/point-based/no-Vancian magic) then certainly not.
I did skip 2E; maybe I'll wait for 5E.
Will I buy 4E? Don't know. Depends on what it looks like. If they make the changes many people here would propose (classless/levelless/point-based/no-Vancian magic) then certainly not.
I did skip 2E; maybe I'll wait for 5E.
dragonlordofpoondari
Explorer
Last time I bought a used 1e book from my LGS (a nice PHB IIRC), the elitist gamestore clerk literally said "Have fun with your THACO." I think he was trying to be funny and maybe even endearing, but he came off like a complete douche. There is an occasional C+C or Hackmaster tourney at that store, but I have yet to see any true 1e tourneys. If it's not a current or (better yet) brand new system, most of the folks there tend to scoff.
I tried to convince my group to play 1e, but they are, for the most part, hardcore WoWers and enjoy the customizable component of 3.5 (Feats, PrCs, etc). They don't want to go back to class-dependant skills only.
I, personally, solve this schism by just adapting whatever I want to whatever I'm playing. I collect great adventures and fluff from any game since adapting stuff to 3.5 is straightforward (though I usually don't trouble myself with a strict conversion ... that would be tedious but not impossible).
RE: 4E, if it can overlay transparently on top of 3.5 or even D20, I'd probably make the switch. I love my D20 library and have invested quite a bit into it. I feel like the current game is as strategic/wargamey as I'm willing to go, so if 4E becomes more mini/battle-driven and less about role-playing (like rumors suggest), I won't bother. To me, D&D at its best is a balanced union between roleplaying and combat, and if that's not reflected in 4E than I doubt I'll be playing. I'm sure I can convince my friends to play whatever edition of whatever game I want when it comes down to it, but I try to follow the advice of Robin Laws.
I tried to convince my group to play 1e, but they are, for the most part, hardcore WoWers and enjoy the customizable component of 3.5 (Feats, PrCs, etc). They don't want to go back to class-dependant skills only.
I, personally, solve this schism by just adapting whatever I want to whatever I'm playing. I collect great adventures and fluff from any game since adapting stuff to 3.5 is straightforward (though I usually don't trouble myself with a strict conversion ... that would be tedious but not impossible).
RE: 4E, if it can overlay transparently on top of 3.5 or even D20, I'd probably make the switch. I love my D20 library and have invested quite a bit into it. I feel like the current game is as strategic/wargamey as I'm willing to go, so if 4E becomes more mini/battle-driven and less about role-playing (like rumors suggest), I won't bother. To me, D&D at its best is a balanced union between roleplaying and combat, and if that's not reflected in 4E than I doubt I'll be playing. I'm sure I can convince my friends to play whatever edition of whatever game I want when it comes down to it, but I try to follow the advice of Robin Laws.
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Chainsaw Mage
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SuStel said:
Uh . . . okay.
