Immortals Handbook - Ascension Discussion

[dante58701]

e.g. The layer of a chaotic evil immortal with the winter portfolio could
be an extremely harsh, unforgiving polar wilderness. While the layer of a
lawful good of winter could be a more picturesque winter wonderland.

NOW THE HAHA!!!

Portfolio Trial: You must journey to both poles (non-epic) or the paraelemental
plane of ice (epic).
Prerequisites: Any non-chaotic alignment
Symbol: Icicle

HAHA!!! =^.^=

 

[dante58701]

Question...unenchanted weapons...

Can they affect immortals? Or are they considered natural since they are nonmagical and nonpsionic.

Because, while it could be argued that they are unnatural (product of a sentient mind), it could be argued that they are natural since they exist within nature as a result of being constructed by a natural creature.

Examples of such tools, ect. would be sticks plucked of their leaves by chimps. Albeit it's a primitive tool...but it is a tool.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

Tell me, U_K, did anyone ever tell that speed of light is not 106 thousand miles per round, it's 1117694 miles or 5,901,426,339 feet?

Would you believe people stop me in the street and point this out all the time...

 

[Omeganian]

Hiya mate!



Would you believe people stop me in the street and point this out all the time...

I would. Need any help with Hebrew?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy dante mate!

Question...unenchanted weapons...

Can they affect immortals? Or are they considered natural since they are nonmagical and nonpsionic.

If they do enough damage to bypass the immortals damage reduction then yes they can hurt them.

Because, while it could be argued that they are unnatural (product of a sentient mind), it could be argued that they are natural since they exist within nature as a result of being constructed by a natural creature.

Examples of such tools, ect. would be sticks plucked of their leaves by chimps. Albeit it's a primitive tool...but it is a tool.

I think not allowing physical force to affect an immortal (if from a mundane source) is a bad idea. I mean Hercules might want to grab some huge pillar and smack one of the titans with it.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Omeganian dude!

I would.

You would!? You think I am running round the streets and cloisters of Oxbridge or M.I.T.

Need any help with Hebrew?

Possibly...what had you in mind?

 

[dante58701]

I think not allowing physical force to affect an immortal (if from a mundane source) is a bad idea. I mean Hercules might want to grab some huge pillar and smack one of the titans with it.

But any weapon Hercules wields counts as an epic weapon. I was referring to a mortal using said weapons. It would make no sense at all for objects made by natural creatures out of natural materials to be able to affect an immortal.

On the other hand it makes perfect sense for an immortals to be able to knock the crap out of an immortal simply by virtue of it's innate ability to wield any weapon as though it were an epic weapon.

This would also make monks more useful since they have the ability to strike as a magic weapon.

Otherwise any stooge with forged gauntlets could hurt an immortal if they had a high enough strength score.

I kinda like the idea of an immortal being able to survive having a building fall on them, while at the same time being vulnerable to a magical or psionic creature's attacks.

 

[Omeganian]

Possibly...what had you in mind?

Nothing definite. It's just that there seems to a lot Hebrew in the terminology you use.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey dante mate!

But any weapon Hercules wields counts as an epic weapon. I was referring to a mortal using said weapons. It would make no sense at all for objects made by natural creatures out of natural materials to be able to affect an immortal.

Replace Hercules with Conan, rinse and repeat. Same logic applies. The immortal still gets its damage reduction, but I don't think making them totally invulnerable has any merits whatsoever.

On the other hand it makes perfect sense for an immortals to be able to knock the crap out of an immortal simply by virtue of it's innate ability to wield any weapon as though it were an epic weapon.

Did you mean mortals?

This would also make monks more useful since they have the ability to strike as a magic weapon.

Irrelevant.

Otherwise any stooge with forged gauntlets could hurt an immortal if they had a high enough strength score.

Bravo. Thats exactly right. It also promotes interaction between epic mortals and immortals.

I kinda like the idea of an immortal being able to survive having a building fall on them, while at the same time being vulnerable to a magical or psionic creature's attacks.

Its called having loads of hit points. A 1 Kiloton nuke only deals a few hundred damage in 3E, surviving a building falling on you would be child's play for an immortal.

The bottom line is that immortals are already tough enough. In fact you could argue they are too tough.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there!

Nothing definite. It's just that there seems to a lot Hebrew in the terminology you use.

Well there is a lot of hebrew where necessary. Tracing back angels (and devils) leads you to the hebrew origins. So thats why those beings use the hebrew names. I did also use the word Nehaschimic for a class of dragons and two of the Abomination names are hebrew in origin.

Its possible that for 4E I may swop the names around. Have the common name as the primary name and the esoteric name as the secondary name. Although I am just wondering if that may be a tad goofy in some places.

Silent One
Anakim

Mighty One
Gibborim

Shadow-lich
Akalich