Immortals Handbook - Epic Bestiary (Epic Monster Discussion)

Blaspheme? I know what it means, I just don't get your meaning. That's an awfully negative sounding response, care to explain? I could just be misreading it.
 

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dante58701 said:
Blaspheme? I know what it means, I just don't get your meaning. That's an awfully negative sounding response, care to explain? I could just be misreading it.
Well... I think Pssthpok's point was that sometimes (as pointed out by U_K and others) your monster entries lack consistancy. Your style of amalgamating monster abilities, while valid, isn't very original, and, no offence, some times they seem a bit odd.
Pssthpok probably is a fan of Sandman, and didn't want to see the series put into rules text. Believe me, I read all the Drizz't books, then when I saw his horrible stats in the 3rd edition FR book, it cheapened the series a bit.
Figures of literature (and video games) are best left far away from d20; Because once you assign a number to their potential, thats all they can ever accomplish. Example: As written, the FR Drizz't stats couldn't do half of what he does in the books. (though I hear his 2nd Ed. stats were more forgiving)
 


Ah...ok...point taken. But I still think Krusty could do it without destroying them. Or maybe Psst should do it.

Id say they were old ones - first ones.

As for driz'zt, I think at least 6 levels of wizard are in order since he trained at Sorcere, in addition to the other acadamy, and was able to cast fireball.
 
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dante58701 said:
Ah...ok...point taken. But I still think Krusty could do it without destroying them. Or maybe Psst should do it.

Id say they were old ones - first ones.

As for driz'zt, I think at least 6 levels of wizard are in order since he trained at Sorcere, in addition to the other acadamy, and was able to cast fireball.
I don't recall him casting fireball... But he does summon and bind a Balor...
 

The Endless would be Old Ones, AFAIC, but I wouldn't want to see or help their rendering into numbers since it would diminish them, IMO.
 

Fieari said:
Species:
Natural
Rational
Negative
Algebraic
Irrational
Transcendental
Normal
(Real? Maybe better to just describe all of the above as reals... a hierarchical thing)

Templates:
Imaginary (0 real component, the imaginary component has the traits of the base moigno)
Complex (Lich equiv)
Quaternion (Demilich equiv)
Octonion (Akalich equiv)
Matrix (Vampire equiv?)
Invertable Matrix (Vampire lord equiv?)
Semidefinite +/- Matrix (Nosferatu equiv?)
Definite +/- Matrix (Welkin equiv?)

Divine Ranks given to:
Countably infinite-bounded sets (e.g. all rational numbers between 0 and 1)
Countably infinite-unbounded sets (e.g. even numbers)
Uncountably infinite-bounded sets (e.g. Cantor set)
Uncountably infinite-unbounded sets (e.g. all transcendentals)


I'm going to give this as critical an eye as I can manage. First, negative numbers aren't well-defined as such (do you mean negative rationals, reals, or integers). Also, normal numbers are orthogonal to the whole hierarchy. Try this:

Natural and Negative natural (equal CR, but mirror-image powers)
Integer (with the powers of both of the above, and maybe one more)
Rational (the standard powers above, plus nonintegral powers -- needs a better name)
Algebraic (the above plus irrational powers -- bending standard rules?)
Real (the above plus trancendental powers... this one's easy)

Complex and Gaussian Integers are easy to define with the ideas above -- just make them 2D reals and integers, respectively.

I'd make the powers of the integer standard for the (math) subtype, with the first pair lacking as a special case half the powers.


Why do matrices work backward? Integers are a subset of the rationals, so you make the rationals stronger; shouldn't definite matrices be weaker than invertible matrices then? Also, reals, complex numbers, quaternians, octonians, sedonians, etc. are all special cases of matrices (1x1, 2x2, 4x4, 8x8, and 16x16 respectively).

If the suggestion on divine ranks is taken as ordered I think there's a problem (or a plot hook?). The union of your second and third examples is in your fourth category (evens + Cantor set = unbounded uncountable). Would you want creatures working together or melding to create another that much stronger? If you like that idea keep it as a plot hook; if not, drop unbounded.

If you want to use other sets, as someone suggested, you could compare size with cardinality (the evens, primes, and squares are all infinite with card = aleph_0), measure (1/2, 0, 0, respectively) or reciprocal sum (divergent, divergent, and convergent, respectively).
 

Pssthpok said:
The Endless would be Old Ones, AFAIC, but I wouldn't want to see or help their rendering into numbers since it would diminish them, IMO.

No who's blapheming! :D

"Numbers would diminish them"!? - Thats 'Bolshe' talk if ever I heard it. :p

Next thing you know it will be..."We don't need stats for the Lady of Pain, then Cthulhu, then Gods in general, then Epic characters..." :D

I always thought the Endless roughly paralleled my First Ones.

Death = Entropy
Destiny = Fate
Dream = Thought
Destruction = Matter/Evil
Desire = Spirit
Despair = ?
Delirium = ?
 

We could also stat out the "Inhumanoids". From a relatively obscure 80's cartoon series.


Come to think of it, we could do all out old favorites for giggles.


Though more than anything Id love to see the Streetfighter characters. Particularly the more popular ones.
 
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