dave2008
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That is a weird one: type humanoid w/ the (human) tag!
D&D (2024) Interested in new dragon designs for 5e (5.5e or 6e)?
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dave2008
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Huh
They did away with intermediate deities
They did away with intermediate deities
dave2008
Legend
Yes (though I still use them). To be fair, they only existed in 2e and 3e. Neither 1e nor 4e had intermediate deities. So a majority of editions don't have intermediate deities by RAW, but I like them so I still use them.
Yaarel
🇮🇱 🇺🇦 He-Mage
@dave2008
I appreciate the posting of the relevant description of Divine Rank.
Heh, I hate when 5e bakes the polytheistic setting flavor into the core rules. I wish the designers would organize this stuff as an opt-in setting option. No doubt, the descriptions of types and tags would be clearer if they did organize it as a separate system.
In any case, the ‘titan’ tag clearly refers to Divine Rank.
It still remains unclear to me whether a ‘greater deity’ can be considered a ‘race’, thus other ranks of divinities be defacto functioning as different ‘races’.
Assuming the designers are applying these rules attentively and consistently, the stat block for Lolth seems instructive. She is listed as a ‘fiend (demon lord)’.
Pertinently, she lost her ‘celestial’ type by becoming evil, and gaining the ‘fiend’ type instead.
Moreover, she lost her ‘elf’ race (if she ever had it) and perhaps became the ‘demon’ race instead.
She has zero connection to the Fey type.
Presumably, her status as a ‘lord’ is equivalent to a ‘lesser deity’, but nothing in the stat block actually says this. It is only because she grants spells to her Clerics, that she must be at least a lesser deity according to the description in Divine Rank.
It could be that deities have their own special kinds of rules of existence, and count as a separate race (being something like a special kind of shapeshifter). Or perhaps more accurately, the Divine status transcends the possibility of being any race.
It could be that a ‘demon lord’ as a specific kind of ‘lesser deity’ is no longer is part of the ‘demon’ race.
I appreciate the posting of the relevant description of Divine Rank.
Heh, I hate when 5e bakes the polytheistic setting flavor into the core rules. I wish the designers would organize this stuff as an opt-in setting option. No doubt, the descriptions of types and tags would be clearer if they did organize it as a separate system.
In any case, the ‘titan’ tag clearly refers to Divine Rank.
It still remains unclear to me whether a ‘greater deity’ can be considered a ‘race’, thus other ranks of divinities be defacto functioning as different ‘races’.
Assuming the designers are applying these rules attentively and consistently, the stat block for Lolth seems instructive. She is listed as a ‘fiend (demon lord)’.
Pertinently, she lost her ‘celestial’ type by becoming evil, and gaining the ‘fiend’ type instead.
Moreover, she lost her ‘elf’ race (if she ever had it) and perhaps became the ‘demon’ race instead.
She has zero connection to the Fey type.
Presumably, her status as a ‘lord’ is equivalent to a ‘lesser deity’, but nothing in the stat block actually says this. It is only because she grants spells to her Clerics, that she must be at least a lesser deity according to the description in Divine Rank.
It could be that deities have their own special kinds of rules of existence, and count as a separate race (being something like a special kind of shapeshifter). Or perhaps more accurately, the Divine status transcends the possibility of being any race.
It could be that a ‘demon lord’ as a specific kind of ‘lesser deity’ is no longer is part of the ‘demon’ race.
dave2008
Legend
There is no official stat block for Lolth in 5e that I am aware of. The only deity with stats so far is Tiamat and here type is 'fiend'
dave2008
Legend
By RAW it doesn't matter (types and tags have no associated mechanics); however I don't consider demons a "race."
dave2008
Legend
It's a side bar, with no mechanical effects. I don't consider that baked in myself. The same section in the DMG has multi-paragraph sections on Monotheism, Dualism, and Animism among others in the general text.
dave2008
Legend
However, the divine rank would be "Quasi-deity" with titans being a type of quasi-deity. And since might be manufactured, birthed by gods, or spring from their blood or other divine will or substance, I think it is really hard to think of them as a 'race.' I don't think the 5e tags want or need to be so tied-down and strictly defined.
Yaarel
🇮🇱 🇺🇦 He-Mage
I got the Lolth stats online from a wiki, but it looks like it was a homebrew conversion from 4e.
I assume the Tiamat stats come from the adventure book?
It seems to be an oversight, that the stat block would fail to mention that Tiamat is a deity of some kind.
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