Is "Justiciar" the new "Rogue?"

[lukelightning]

Re. blackguard: The dictionaries I've checked list multiple pronunciations, including "blaggerd" and "black guard."

"Blaggerd" does not sound right for an anti-paladin. It sounds like a common thug.

"Justiciar" may be "correcter" but I think "justicar" has legs. "Justiciar" sounds more like an administrator, while "justicar" sounds like a military title.

 

[Cam Banks]

One interesting point that has not yet been thrown out into this exciting melee is the fact that languages are ever-changing and constantly evolving things.

Are you kidding? That's been the biggest line of defense of letting people spell Justiciar without the I in both these threads. It's the "you can't stop the evolution of language" BS defense. It drives English teachers mad.

I have to believe that on some level, people who are supporting the misuse or misspelling of words are doing so because A) they don't want to admit they've been saying/spelling it incorrectly, B) think the proper way to say/pronounce it is silly, or C) just like to argue.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[Cam Banks]

"Justiciar" may be "correcter"

I think you mean "Justiciar" may be "more correct."



Cheers,
Cam

 

[hexgrid]

It's the "you can't stop the evolution of language" BS defense. It drives English teachers mad.

How is this BS? It's an undeniable fact of language.

Especially in this case, where the context of the word is completely made up to begin with. It happened to be named after a real-life word, but it didn't need to be.

 

[Asmor]

I think you mean "Justiciar" may be "more correct."



Cheers,
Cam

Just a guess here,* but I took that to be an intentional pun and implication that "correcter" was, at one time, the correct form of how we would now say "more correct." In other words, it was meant as an ironic jab at the argument.

*I tried to verify it, but my google-fu, though strong, is lacking. Difficult thing to search for, since Google "helpfully" guesses that you meant 'correct' and searches for that as well, polluting the results.

 

[Cam Banks]

How is this BS? It's an undeniable fact of language.

But it's a lazy defense. You know what I mean? It's "I can't be bothered to correct this so I'll just say it's because language evolves so we should all stop whining."

Especially in this case, where the context of the word is completely made up to begin with. It happened to be named after a real-life word, but it didn't need to be.

Which case are you referring to? The White Wolf instance of "Justicar?" Because that should have been "Justiciar" right from the beginning, as it's pretty much what those individuals in the Camarilla are doing. Much as there's a Prince and a Sheriff, and Harpies, and so forth. They were borrowed words, and it just so happens that in one instance they borrowed a word and lost the I, because they messed up.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[Cam Banks]

I tried to verify it, but my google-fu, though strong, is lacking. Difficult thing to search for, since Google "helpfully" guesses that you meant 'correct' and searches for that as well, polluting the results.

Yeah. It's one of the problems of having so much information available online—you can get the mistakes lumped in with the rest. My wife, who teaches at middle school and high school level, is getting really tired of kids using Wikipedia articles that haven't been properly vetted, or who use a Google search result as a reference for something.

And honestly, to everybody involved in this discussion, I'm sorry if I've come across as a jerk. I hate to see the English language reduced to a lowest-common denominator in gaming. I remember learning more from published games than many other sources in high school, and it was because those games used words correctly. Pushing bad spelling and bad grammar on today's generation of gamers is depressing.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[Korgoth]

Yeah. It's one of the problems of having so much information available online—you can get the mistakes lumped in with the rest. My wife, who teaches at middle school and high school level, is getting really tired of kids using Wikipedia articles that haven't been properly vetted, or who use a Google search result as a reference for something.

All that really need be said:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/16/

 

[hexgrid]

But it's a lazy defense. You know what I mean? It's "I can't be bothered to correct this so I'll just say it's because language evolves so we should all stop whining."

That's not happening here, though. Supporters of "Justicar" are saying that the language has already evolved, and the prescriptionists need to catch up.

Which case are you referring to? The White Wolf instance of "Justicar?" Because that should have been "Justiciar" right from the beginning, as it's pretty much what those individuals in the Camarilla are doing. Much as there's a Prince and a Sheriff, and Harpies, and so forth. They were borrowed words, and it just so happens that in one instance they borrowed a word and lost the I, because they messed up.

Cheers,
Cam

I'm talking about Justiciar as the title of a paragon path in 4th edition D&D. This is, effectively, an invented word. Non-game usage of the same word is of very limited relevance. No one would argue (I hope) that the D&D version of the word has the same definition, so why does it need the same pronunciation?

 

[Cam Banks]

I'm talking about Justiciar as the title of a paragon path in 4th edition D&D. This is, effectively, an invented word. Non-game usage of the same word is of very limited relevance. No one would argue (I hope) that the D&D version of the word has the same definition, so why does it need the same pronunciation?

I think the onus is on you to prove that it shouldn't, to be honest. It's the same word. Why would you pronounce it differently? Because it doesn't sound bad-ass enough?

Cheers,
Cam