D&D 5E Is Paladine Bahamut? Is Takhisis Tiamat? Fizban's Treasury Might Reveal The Answer!

According to WotC's James Wyatt, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons introduces a new cosmology for dragon gods, where the same beings, including Fizban, echo across various D&D campaign settings with alternate versions of themselves (presumably like Paladine/Bahamut, or Takhisis/Tiamat). Also... the various version can merge into one single form.

Takhisis is the five-headed dragon god of evil from the Dragonlance setting. Paladine is the platinum dragon god of good (and also Fizban's alter-ego).

Additionally, the book will contain psychic gem dragons, with stats for all four age categories of the five varieties (traditionally there are Amethyst, Crystal, Emerald, Sapphire, and Topaz), plus Dragonborn characters based on metallic, chromatic, and gem dragons.

D&D 5E - Check out Fizban's Alternate Cover!

WotC's James Wyatt talked to Polygon about Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, which also revealed the alternate cover, which you can only get from hobby stores. https://www.enworld.org/threads/fizbans-treasury-the-dragon-book-now-has-a-description-and-a-feat.681399/

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D&D 5E - Fizban's Treasury: The Dragon Book Now Has A Description... And A Feat

Courtesy of Amazon, we now have a description for Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, the October D&D hardcover. The book introduces gem dragons, dragon-themed player options, and plenty of draconic lore! This joins September's The Wild Beyond the Witchlight, and November's Strixhaven: Curriculum of...

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[Aaron L]

Again, 2e retconned the matter—in 1e they were distinct and had completely different stats.

The 5-headed chromatic mother of Evil dragons goddess Takhisis was meant to be different from the 5-headed chromatic mother of Evil dragons archdevil Tiamat, both look identical, and it was just a retcon to identify them together? Somehow I really doubt that.

 

[Parmandur]

The 5-headed chromatic mother of Evil dragons goddess Takhisis was meant to be different from the 5-headed chromatic mother of Evil dragons archdevil Tiamat, both look identical, and it was just a retcon to identify them together? Somehow I really doubt that.

It probably varied from table to table, originally.

 

[Aaron L]

It probably varied from table to table, originally.

I can imagine that, but it seems an unnecessary complication. And would imagine that most tables assumed they were the same, just as we did.

The Platinum Dragon, champion of Good, father of the Metallic Dragons, and the 5-headed mother of Evil chromatic dragons... now quick, did I just describe Paladine and Takhisis, or Bahamut and Tiamat?

 

[Parmandur]

I can imagine that, but it seems an unnecessary complication. And would imagine that most tables assumed they were the same, just as we did.

The Platinum Dragon, champion of Good, father of the Metallic Dragons, and the 5-headed mother of Evil chromatic dragons... now quick, did I just describe Paladine and Takhisis, or Bahamut and Tiamat?

You are right.

 

[Aaron L]

You are right.

I'm just caught off guard by the idea that there was ever an attempt to separate them. I never saw any evidence of it.

shrug

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Again, 2e retconned the matter—in 1e they were distinct and had completely different stats.

While looking the exact same and having similar details.

 

[Azzy]

The 5-headed chromatic mother of Evil dragons goddess Takhisis was meant to be different from the 5-headed chromatic mother of Evil dragons archdevil Tiamat, both look identical, and it was just a retcon to identify them together? Somehow I really doubt that.

Doubt all you want. But, yes, a unique dragon (that had 128 hp) that is treated as a lesser goddess (in D&DG) is the same thing as a greater goddess with 999 hp that does 1-1000 points of damage on a hit.

 

[Azzy]

While looking the exact same and having similar details.

So, is Tiamat a 40th-level cleric/wizard greater goddess?

 

[SkidAce]

I guess we just used Occam's Razor back in the day.

I mean how many chromatic five headed evil dragons of deific power were there in the cosmos?

Edit: ninja'd by @Aaron L , doh...

 

[Morrus]

I guess we just used Occam's Razor back in the day.

I mean how many chromatic five headed evil dragons of deific power were there in the cosmos?

712.