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5E Is the new setting Icewind Dale?

Russ Morrissey

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"Fans of D&D will learn all about the new setting and storyline as well as accompanying new products plus tons of unique gameplay available on June 18, 2020."

The language is very unclear.
It's clear enough. The "setting and storyline" are one thing, that will have accompanying accessories. They are not two separate things.

Plus common sense dictates that out of four books in 2020 WotC are not going to make three of them setting books.
 


Parmandur

Legend
I'm pretty sure the announcement is for an adventure in a new setting, not an adventure and a new setting.

We have already got two setting books this year, I would consider a third incredibly unlikely.
In context, and seeing the schedule for the weekend, I believe they are talking about Theros. Yes, Theros will already be out on Beyond and VTT, but they will still be ramping up for the book itself at that point.

However, at this point, a Fall Setting book is hardly implausible. WotC doesn't have a book diversity quota to fill, they can go all Settings moving forwards if that is what they think will sell.
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
In context, and seeing the schedule for the weekend, I believe they are talking about Theros. Yes, Theros will already be out on Beyond and VTT, but they will still be ramping up for the book itself at that point.

However, at this point, a Fall Setting book is hardly implausible. WotC doesn't have a book diversity quota to fill, they can go all Settings moving forwards if that is what they think will sell.
It also looks like Perkins' game is set in Theros. It's called "Lost Odysseys" or something very Theros, can't remember exactly what.
 


Burnside

Explorer
I would think that Neverwinter Nights or Planescape: Torment had IWD beat, but maybe you're right.
Planescape: Torment is now considered a cult classic and arguably the best of the Infinity Engine D&D games, but it was a financial flop and ended up being the only Black Isle/Bioware D&D game that got no expansions or sequels because of how poorly it sold.

Icewind Dale was very successful , second only to Baldur's Gate, and had two expansions and a sequel.
 

Lem23

Explorer
Icewind Dale was very successful , second only to Baldur's Gate, and had two expansions and a sequel.
Wasn't ID a distant third behind NWN and BG?

Ah, yes, from earlier in this thread, the ID franchise sold just under 600K, the NWN and BG games sold over 2 million each.
 

Burnside

Explorer
Wasn't ID a distant third behind NWN and BG?
I'm sure NWN did sell more - I was thinking strictly in terms of the Infinity Engine games (Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate 2, Icewind Dale, Icewind Dale 2, and Planescape: Torment).

Icewind Dale very probably sold fewer units than NWN, but it may have actually been more profitable. It was a comparatively cheap game to make, re-using BG's engine & assets to make a much simpler hack & slash dungeon crawl game. NWN was way more ambitious and introduced the Aurora Engine, which was revolutionary at the time (although I kinda like the older games better personally).
 


Though I still think Icewind Dale more probable, see, this brings me back to my hope for the Bloodstone Lands. After all, that location was used in modules that incorporated the old Battlesystem rules. If it's going to focus on mass combat, we could see a return to Vaasa and Damara, Zhengyi the Witch-King and Orcus.

We know from past comments a next book will have a focus on towns, their heraldry and their militia. Many thought of the Dales, but a gazetteer of the Ten-Towns (mostly a reprint ++ of the stuff from LotCS) with a cool campaign based around the idea of raising the Ten Towns against the forces of the Shadow King or some other threats would be cool (with rules for mass combat). Or maybe a compilation of old adventures based in a cold or mountain setting, like Saltmarsh did for coastal adventures.
 

Azzy

Cyclone Ranger
Well, I don't think that IWD will be the "new setting", but instead the setting of the new adventure and accompanying story-line.

Been playing a lot of Neverwinter lately, and spending a lot of time in Icewind Dale. So I'm not sure if I'm going like an IWD adventure or hate it (from being overdosed on IWD). :D But I guess I'll have to convince someone to run it so I can convert my NW character to D&D.
 

Traycor

Explorer
I'm sure NWN did sell more - I was thinking strictly in terms of the Infinity Engine games (Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate 2, Icewind Dale, Icewind Dale 2, and Planescape: Torment).

Icewind Dale very probably sold fewer units than NWN, but it may have actually been more profitable. It was a comparatively cheap game to make, re-using BG's engine & assets to make a much simpler hack & slash dungeon crawl game. NWN was way more ambitious and introduced the Aurora Engine, which was revolutionary at the time (although I kinda like the older games better personally).
NWN would have been more profitable. That game was the father of modern-day microtransactions in games. They were selling the new modules, even bringing in other companies to make them. It was a big deal at the time, and every company saw $$$.
 

In context, and seeing the schedule for the weekend, I believe they are talking about Theros.
Check the grammar: "Fans of D&D will learn all about the new setting and storyline"

The definite article. And only one "the". There is only one subject.

If it referred to two separate things is should read "Fans of D&D will learn all about the new setting and the new storyline"

Now, it's not impossible that they made a grammatical error, but Occam's razor suggests the simpler explanation - that it means what it says - is more likely to be correct.

I'm sure they will talk about Theros as well as the Icewind Dale combined storyline and setting book though. The real mystery is do mind flayers lurk beneath Icewind Dale?
 
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Parmandur

Legend
Check the grammar: "Fans of D&D will learn all about the new setting and storyline"

The definite article. And only one "the". There is only one subject.

If it referred to two separate things is should read "Fans of D&D will learn all about the new setting and the new storyline"

Now, it's not impossible that they made a grammatical error, but Occam's razor suggests the simpler explanation - that it means what it says - is more likely to be correct.

I'm sure they will talk about Theros as well as the Icewind Dale combined storyline and setting book though. The real mystery is do mind flayers lurk beneath Icewind Dale?
English is a deliciously ambiguous language, but given the overall context and having read a bunch of Greg Tito's work, I'd say Occam's Razor favors sloppy grammar here.

Mind Flayers and Icewind Dale are actually already a thing established in the past, so it certainly would be no tremendous leap.
 

Check the grammar: "Fans of D&D will learn all about the new setting and storyline"

The definite article. And only one "the". There is only one subject.

If it referred to two separate things is should read "Fans of D&D will learn all about the new setting and the new storyline"

Now, it's not impossible that they made a grammatical error, but Occam's razor suggests the simpler explanation - that it means what it says - is more likely to be correct.

I'm sure they will talk about Theros as well as the Icewind Dale combined storyline and setting book though. The real mystery is do mind flayers lurk beneath Icewind Dale?
C.f. “Cruel and unusual punishments.”
 

Mercurius

Legend
Oh, I see this is where the ouroboric speculation about the "new setting" is currently happening. Love the excessive scrutiny a few simple words are getting.

I still think the most likely explanation is Theros.
 

Parmandur

Legend
Oh, I see this is where the ouroboric speculation about the "new setting" is currently happening. Love the excessive scrutiny a few simple words are getting.

I still think the most likely explanation is Theros.
Yeah, probably. I mean, the storyline will be set somewhere, and the tealeaves suggest Icewind Dale, but that's not a "new setting" the way that Theros is.
 


Mercurius

Legend
Yeah, probably. I mean, the storyline will be set somewhere, and the tealeaves suggest Icewind Dale, but that's not a "new setting" the way that Theros is.
Or:

"New" means unlikely to be in the Realms.
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Theros is new to D&D, and comes out a month after this stream, so even if they have another new setting coming down the pike, why would they be talking about the next new setting and not the impending one?
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They've already got two settings for 2020; if they do publish four books, would they really make three of them settings?
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Theros.​

Its Theros, folks.

(Probably)
 

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