I've figured it out.

[Goblyn]

Umm... WHAT?

Ignoring the fact that 3rd edition is to 1st edition like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is to a hamburger.

This is my theory. Any thoughts?

Yeah, I have a thought: This is not a fact; it's not even a backed-up opinion. IMO 2e was better than 1e and 3e was better than 2e.

The comparison between 3e and 1e is more like an Apple Classic II verus an IMac. I, however, admit the nonfactuality and complete subjectivity of this statement.

Also: I don't find the results of the poll odd at all, even with all the '2e bashing' going on. To me the poll focuses more on 'the merits of 1e versus the merits of 2e' rather than '2e versus what is available today', which is what the bashing focuses on.

 

[diaglo]

Are you aware tsr.com just redirects you to http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/welcome&dcmp=ILC-TSRURL ?

oui, mais bien sur.

ask me if i care? i still get to the WotC site by going to the one i have saved on my computer.

 

[Psion]

i'm rather surprised by the results of the poll, what with the regular and near-constant 2E bashing i see around here.

Just because 3e > 2e doesn't mean that 2e isn't > 1e.

 

[Seeten]

We switched to 2nd edition. We hated it, it didnt have any classes except the 4, etc, so we switched to Rolemaster. Half the group didnt like it, we switched to Palladium RPG, and finally we stopped altogether and moved to Vampire the Masquerade and Werewolf.

When D&D 3rd Edition, like lapsed catholics, we switched back straight away.

 

[der_kluge]

Yeah, I have a thought: This is not a fact; it's not even a backed-up opinion. IMO 2e was better than 1e and 3e was better than 2e.

The comparison between 3e and 1e is more like an Apple Classic II verus an IMac. I, however, admit the nonfactuality and complete subjectivity of this statement.

Also: I don't find the results of the poll odd at all, even with all the '2e bashing' going on. To me the poll focuses more on 'the merits of 1e versus the merits of 2e' rather than '2e versus what is available today', which is what the bashing focuses on.

My analogy was to show that there were vast differences between the two. Not sure why you've attributed a qualitative difference to my analogy. I'm not saying one was better than the other, I'm saying 1e and 2e were a lot alike, and 3e was vastly different.

As for the results of the poll, I do find them interesting, because I am constantly hearing from people who love 1e, hated 2nd edition, quit gaming when it came out, and then didn't come back to gaming until 3e came out. I'm trying to understand that phenomenon. And according to this poll, such a phonomenon doesn't really exist.

 

[BOZ]

maybe if there was a "we switched to 2E, but hated it and compained the whole time, and maybe even went back to playing 1E after while or stopped gaming altogether" option, the results of the poll would have been a lot different.

 

[Goblyn]

My analogy was to show that there were vast differences between the two. Not sure why you've attributed a qualitative difference to my analogy. I'm not saying one was better than the other, I'm saying 1e and 2e were a lot alike, and 3e was vastly different.

Only because liking it to comparing PB&J to a hamburger sounds like one is saying that that which is analogous to PB&J is inferior to that which is analogous to a hamburger. I see now that that was not your intent; apples vs oranges is usually what I hear used in this way. Whoa, that's a lot of the word 'that'.0_0

As for the results of the poll, I do find them interesting, because I am constantly hearing from people who love 1e, hated 2nd edition, quit gaming when it came out, and then didn't come back to gaming until 3e came out. I'm trying to understand that phenomenon. And according to this poll, such a phonomenon doesn't really exist.

Well, the poll is missing one very important option: Switched to 2e, then switched back(or away). Like BOZ said. From what it sounds like, many of those who posted fall in this camp. Including me.

 

[ivocaliban]

For reference, ivcaliban, you can always check the Acaeum at www.acaeum.com or Adrian Newman's TSR Archive at http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/

Then you too can reference the first printing of the Holmes basic set with impunity

Much appreciated. Now I can go back through the thread and find out what everyone's talking about. Thanks, grodog!

 

[TheAuldGrump]

Yep, another person who switched from OD&D to AD&D 1st ed. then to AD&D 2nd ed. 2nd ed. did not start out bad, a lot of the changes were quite nice. But over time... it began to suck. We never switched back to 1st ed. instead we switched to other games.

I do miss the clerical spheres. But that is about it. The settings were really cool, the splats, splats, and more splats... less so.

At 4+ years we have already stuck by 3e longer than 2nd ed.

The Auld Grump

 

[Staffan]

We switched to 2nd edition. We hated it, it didnt have any classes except the 4

Huh? My 2nd ed PHB had fighters, rangers, paladins, clerics, druids, mages, 8 different specialist wizards, thieves and bards. Yours must have been defective.