D&D 5E Jeremy Crawford Discusses the Wild Soul Barbarian and Path of the Astral Self Monk

[Parmandur]

Since we are on this...and people are talking about things not even touched upon (or touched lightly upon but not really integrated)...

From 1e

Acrobat
Sohei
Bushi (fighter with scavenging abilities)
Ninja?? (as in the more traditional type)
Yakuza
Shukenja
Wu-jen

Dragonlance

Though they have indicated replacements from SCAG in saying certain paths/archtypes could be replaced as the Dragonlance ones...they never specifically spelled these classes out which were also in AD&D

Knight of Solomnia (Knight of the Crown, Sword, Rose)
Wizard of High Sorcery (Moon phase wizards)
Merchant
Mariner

2e has more than I can count when you take kits into consideration

3e has a few

Duskblade
Factotum
Marshall/Warlord
Beguiler
Spell Thief

This does not touch upon the Prestige classes of which you start getting into the 2e kits again.

So...it may be that his wording was slightly amiss. Probably more of what the main classes they could think of and that had positive response overall have been covered, but not necessarily ALL the main class types that people could name or that they knew about??

See, though, those are all weird and in the weeds concepts, though (Ninja is already in the PHB two different ways, Assassin Rogue and Shadow Monk: maybe a "Ninja Clan" Background for a Kara-Tur setting book would be appropriate, however).

 

[Paul Farquhar]

What fantasy did the Duskblade and Factotum come from? What mythic tale is that?

They came from slapping a fresh coat of paint on old ideas (magical swordsman, jack-of-all-trades).

 

[Shardstone]

They came from slapping a fresh coat of paint on old ideas (magical swordsman, jack-of-all-trades).

Ah I see, so you aren't saying all things come from something else, you say all things redefining, execute differently, or fundamentally change over time, thus creating new ideas.

 

[Aldarc]

The "great leader" is there, but they pretty much always lead from the front, they don't stand at the back telling others what to do (unless they are a villain).

Apart from maybe the Lazylord build, that's how 4e Warlords worked.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

How can there be an origin if everything derives from something else?

I didn't say there was any origin. But if you are talking about stories, they all originate at the point when humans became humans.

and then I'll say just because you can't see where the Wild Soul comes from doesn't mean it doesn't come from anything.

True, but I know a lot of things, and the all the people on these forums know more. Coming from something that know one knows is functionally the same as coming from nothing.

Got answers for both of these?

Yes.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Ah I see, so you aren't saying all things come from something else, you say all things redefining, execute differently, or fundamentally change over time, thus creating new ideas.

Not quite. I'm saying they superficially change. Fundamentally, they stay the same.

 

[Parmandur]

Character archetypes descend through various hypostases from the Ideal Forms in the Eternal Mind of the Lunar sphere, and are discovered by attentive game designers who look up from the shadows.

g-duh.

 

[GreyLord]

What fantasy did the Duskblade and Factotum come from? What mythic tale is that?

Duskblade is basically the Gish. Much like the Eldritch Knight, but more balanced one could say. They do not focus their powers through their blade (so not a bladesinger), but they are much more combat focused than...say the Eldritch Knight in what spells they might cast. Eldritch Knight would be a Fighter/Wizard...while the Duskblade would specifically be the Warrior with Magic amplification or that uses magic in conjunction with Magic.

Another way of saying it would be, while the Eldritch Knight really has the magic increase separately from the way their combat abilities increase, the Duskblade has them increase in conjunction with each other.

The way of looking at it is if you look at the 3e classes, the Eldritch Knight really increases it's wizards spells as a separate leveling (eldritch knight levels separately than your wizard or fighter levels). The Duskblade advances in both continuously and combined.

Think Elrond from the Hobbit movies by Jackson.

The Factotum on the otherhand is one class that has always been hard to capture. The first to actually try to do this was the Bard of 2e. In this, the Bard supposedly could fill in any position as a secondary, but not quite be as good as the original.

This would be the Jack of all trades.

To replicate this type of archtype you'd probably want a class that ultimately gets 3 attacks (so not quite as powerful as the Fighter's number of attacks, but moreso than other classes that get multiple attacks), advance as the secondary casters (such as the Eldritch Knight for Fighter or the Arcane Trickster for the Thief), have the ability to get expertise in two skills eventually, and also have healing powers that are almost as good, but not quite as good, as the Cleric.

The great difficulty with creating a jack of all-trades is the power level. It is very easy to create a very overpowered class, but at the same time, if you don't make it strong enough it really doesn't fill the niche archtype of jack of all trades.

 

[Shardstone]

I didn't say there was any origin. But if you are talking about stories, they all originate at the point when humans became humans.


True, but I know a lot of things, and the all the people on these forums know more. Coming from something that know one knows is functionally the same as coming from nothing.


Yes.

These are some weird answers.

But where did the stories come from? Where did the ideas come from?

You haven't answered the paradox. Either humans can make new ideas that can resonate with other humans, or they can't. Which is it?

 

[Parmandur]

These are some weird answers.

But where did the stories come from? Where did the ideas come from?

You haven't answered the paradox. Either humans can make new ideas that can resonate with other humans, or they can't. Which is it?

Are ideas made, or discovered?

#FullSocrates