JLU season finale: "Epilogue"

[takyris]

I liked the episode a bunch, but then, I saw the stuff required to appreciate it.

As for "It had no place in JLU", I don't really buy that. I watched JLU because I watched Superman and Batman (TASes) and Batman Beyond, so it had a place there for me. It's all part of the same universe.

It might not have been a style or character you enjoyed, but that's an entirely different issue. There's nothing wrong with having a personal preference -- I disliked the "Wonder Woman turned into a pig" episode because the tone didn't work for me (although I liked Zatana doing magic and the advancement of the Batman/Wonder Woman romance), and I disliked the "Flash goes to Apokalips" episode because I think most of Apokalips is silly, except for Darkseid, who is a flippin' badass but no longer with us.

I wouldn't have wanted that episode to have taken the place of "Divided we Fall", but it was a heck of a way to cleanse the palate after that two-season-long arc.

 

[Klaus]

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/jlu/

How can this episode not fit in with the JLU.

The Justice League Inlimited was first introduced in Batman Beyond (Superman, Big Barda, Warhawk, Micron, Aquagirl and Green Lantern).

Plus, like others mentioned, it was uncertain if the JLU would return for a fifth season, so this would be the perfect "full circle" episode. Specially the last scene, which reproduces the very first scene of the very first episode of Batman: tAS, waaay back in 1992.

 

[DonTadow]

It was a great episode and a complete surprise. WHen it comes to the JLA, I don't go on and read the spoilers so I Didn't know when the season was going to end. The episodes just kept getting better and better. FIrst I thought they'd end with a cliffhanger, then I thought they'd end it with a good victory, but then they bring in the emotional episode that ties up the loose ends of Batman Beyond... brilliant.

I have no idea how they'll top this next season, or even if they should try. No wait they should, something has to offset that atrocity they call The Batman. My girlfriend knows how to make me gringe. She'll say
"Hey look what they did with bane"
"Hey look what they did with the JOker"
"HEy Look waht they did with Mr. Freeze"

GRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

[takyris]

Well, what I've heard is:

Spoiler

that Luthor escapes and recreates the Legion of Doom -- but there might be a more multi-episodic twist to it this time. Personally, if I were Luthor, I'd be arguing that I was under Brainiac's control the entire time, even when I hacked into the JLU mainframe and nuked Cadmus. That seems like an ironclad defense for someone with his money and power.

Unless, of course, he really isn't responsible for the things he did -- it really was Brainiac -- and he's being wrongly persecuted. That would be a neat twist.

My hope, personally, is for a new villain to command the stage -- someone with Luthor's charisma but a different set of variables, hopefully someone whose been referenced.

My personal love-list of possible big-bads would be a team-up between the Joker and Darkseid -- the Joker with Apokalips tech to use as his malicious whims dictate ould be wonderful to see. Failing that, something big involving villains from multiple areas -- like Ra's al'Ghul (spelling, gak) joining with Ares to cleanse the world -- Ares gets war, Ra's gets better immortality than the Lazarus pits. And Batman and Wonder Woman have to team up and continue their romantic tension to stop them.

 

[Klaus]

Takyris -> What you posted in the spoiler text is thr truth.

[sblock]Basically, the villains will get the same idea the heroes had: band together in order to be more effective. It's Legion of Doom all the way, including a big Darth Vader head as a swamp clubhouse. [/sblock]

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/jlu/

How can this episode not fit in with the JLU.

The Justice League Inlimited was first introduced in Batman Beyond (Superman, Big Barda, Warhawk, Micron, Aquagirl and Green Lantern).

Plus, like others mentioned, it was uncertain if the JLU would return for a fifth season, so this would be the perfect "full circle" episode. Specially the last scene, which reproduces the very first scene of the very first episode of Batman: tAS, waaay back in 1992.

I like that it tied back into Batman: tAS, at least visually. Well done. I acknowledge that Batman Beyond deals with the Justice League. I do NOT like the assumption that Batman Beyond is necessarily part of the timeline. I always thought of Batman Beyond as a worst case scenario for the DC Animated Universe. Essentially, the world as it exists in Batman Beyond implies that Bruce was ultimately a failure, the Justice League fails to actually make the world a better place, and hope doesn't actually improve things. Hope just means you don't gently bear the apparently automatic and necessary deterioration of things. Not a hopeful or even pleasant premise.

If it had been the ending of the series, it would mean that the series ended on a tremendous down note, to my mind. It closes more doors than it opens.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Essentially, the world as it exists in Batman Beyond implies that Bruce was ultimately a failure, the Justice League fails to actually make the world a better place, and hope doesn't actually improve things.

I saw Bruce as a tragic man, very much mortal, to be honest I think Batman Beyond is the show that got the Bruce Wayne/Batman aspect of the same man right.

The shows a classic, as much as I enjoy JLA I hope that Batman Beyond makes it to DVD first. (in complete seasons or what not.)

 

[The Serge]

I do NOT like the assumption that Batman Beyond is necessarily part of the timeline. I always thought of Batman Beyond as a worst case scenario for the DC Animated Universe. Essentially, the world as it exists in Batman Beyond implies that Bruce was ultimately a failure, the Justice League fails to actually make the world a better place, and hope doesn't actually improve things.

I agree with you completely. Although I greatly enjoyed Batman Beyond, I always had issues with how so many of the classic elements of the character were removed. From the cape to the absence of some of his bigger enemies, the show also revealed that Wayne was a lonely, bitter, old codger. While I definitely see Wayne as lonely and an old codger, I've never perceived him as particularly bitter. Difficult to deal with, sure; not much for maintaining friendships, absolutely. But utterly alone because he's so bitter, not at all.

Plus, the idea that The Joker's permanently dead? As I already said, I think that the existence of The Joker in three Justice League episodes suggests that he need not necessarily be permanently gone.

Still, I loved that episode.

You know, I wonder if we're ever going to see the following:

1. The return of Dick Grayson: What the hell happened to Nightwing. The whole situation with the Teen Titans throws a wrench in the development of Grayson's character. We know that to one degree or another, elements of the DC continuity exists in TT (remember when Slade forces Robin to go rogue and steal from some company? He was stealing from something with "Wayne" in it). How strong or weak is this connection?

Teen Titans and The Justice League: Speaking of Teen Titans, will there ever be a cross-over with JL? Should there be? TT seems essentially a stand alone thing aside from occasional visual suggestions to the contrary... I mean, Trigun shows up and decimates the entire planet and only a bunch of teen agers are left to save the day? Well, I suppose this is okay since it happens routinely in comics, but I wonder if there should or can be a connection.

3. Static: This show was a fairly fun show that I managed to see most of on Cartoon Network. It also featured many episodes with The Batman, at least one with Superman, and at least two with the Justice League (sans Superman and Wonder Woman). There was also the one set in the time of Batman Beyond. According to "The Past and Future Thing," Static is one of the heroes that fight the Time Master's goons (from Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker). So, what's his story?

 

[Aeson]

Maybe Static Shock will be in the new JL.

 

[WayneLigon]

From what I've read, the animated Teen Titans basically exist in their own seperate continuity and are going to stay that way. Save for one, possible throw-away, joke there is nothing to really indicate that the TT Robin is Dick.