Judgement Day (Full)

[Bront]

Fair enough. Found it in the Complete Divine book. It says, "As lesser visage of the diety" and Lesser Visage of the Diety gives a +4 Enhancement Bonus to Cha. Not an Unnamed bonus. So, the bonuses from Greater Visage of the Diety would also be enhancements.

Actualy, it becomes a racial bonus since you actualy become half-celestial, and those stack.

 

[Rkhet]

It is a continuous spell: Greater Visage of the Diety.

I just gave it a name.

I'd say that any custom items like that would need DM approval, though.

Also, you do realize that they nerfed Automatic Quicken, right? It only works on one spell level per feat, now. You can find the nerf in Complete Arcane, under epic feats.

 

[Rkhet]

Ok, heres how the Shapechanging thing works. Inherent Bonuses are something that is tied to your character at all times. It never changes, no matter what. So yes, you keep ALL Inherent bonuses when you shapechange. Now, in terms of items, when you shapechange you can only use your items if you turn into a creature which ciuld use your items. If you are incorporeal, you could only use things that have the ghost touch feature (weapons and armour).

Cool. Thanks.

 

[Jarval]

Also, you do realize that they nerfed Automatic Quicken, right? It only works on one spell level per feat, now. You can find the nerf in Complete Arcane, under epic feats.

*Blinks* Really? That's a pretty major downgrade in power, and seems rather less than epic somehow. Hmm, I may need to rewrite my character a bit if that's the version we're using.

Out of interest, have they done a similar downgrade to Automatic Silent and Automatic Still Spell, or are they still the same as in the ELH?

 

[Bialaska]

*Blinks* Really? That's a pretty major downgrade in power, and seems rather less than epic somehow. Hmm, I may need to rewrite my character a bit if that's the version we're using.

Out of interest, have they done a similar downgrade to Automatic Silent and Automatic Still Spell, or are they still the same as in the ELH?

Automatic Still and Automatic Silent is each 3 spell slots per feat (0-3, 4-6, 7-9). Only Automatic Quicken has suffered.

 

[Wrahn]

I'd say that any custom items like that would need DM approval, though.

Also, you do realize that they nerfed Automatic Quicken, right? It only works on one spell level per feat, now. You can find the nerf in Complete Arcane, under epic feats.

Actually, no I didn't thanks for pointing that out. DMs note the changes.

That was a move that I really don't understand. The truth is, I think my character just became more powerful, I had to sacrifice a few things (notably Leadership, I probably could have worked around it, but I don't have time atm to write up my cohort anyway)

and as far as custom magic items: Darn skippy that the DM has approval on all of them, he always did.

 

[Ferrix]

Quick question; are we are using the most up to date of published material (not errata, but stuff in printed books)? It makes a big difference.

Since, say an epic feat like Automatic Quicken Spell was originally printed in ELH and auto-quickened 0-3rd level spells with the first feat, and then 0-6th level spells when you take it again, and then 0-9th level spells when you take it a third time. However, the next printing of that feat in Complete Arcane changed it to auto-quickening only 0-1st level spells on the first feat, and then only adding a single spell level every time you took it again, which seems a bit more balanced.

Other notable updates in published material: duelist (canny defense applying all at once at 1st level in sword & fist vs. canny defense applying only up to your level of Int mod.), etc.

 

[Ferrix]

Who is still in anyways and what side are they on? Seems like all the people on the side of good keep dropping out.

 

[Bialaska]

I'm in. If there's a lack of good characters I could make a character and join the side of good, it's not that big a problem.

 

[Wrahn]

Well, I think that the Complete Arcane is the only book that lists Automatically Quickened Spell that is 3.5. Of course the 3.5 SRD has it as the ELH version, so I guess that is a legitimate question. 3.5 SRD or Complete Arcane