Judgement Day (Full)

Rkhet · Jun 22, 2005

What page is the rule for tattoos? I must have missed it.

Kerrz · Jun 22, 2005

Bialaska: Don't get me wrong, and I'm sure the DMs will make a ruling of their own, but so far I see a few rather big problems:
1) Where the hell did this idea of Tattoos come from? You list it as the DMG, but it's definitely not from there. I mean, if they're kosher, then I want some too, but I can't find them.
2) If you are working with tattoos as double the price from the DMG, then you have to take into effect the fact that no single enchantment in any DMG magic item is greater than +5. Since you have Tattoos with bonuses like +6 and +8, this makes them epic magic items, and under a whole different set of rules (and prices which are ten times higher.)
3) Finally, how on earth do you get scores in the sixties when you're using a 40-point buy system?

Prof Yeti · Jun 22, 2005

Bobitron said:
I think I am also going to decline this game. A little too much going on to pay enough attention, and I admit that while creating a 30th level character was a blast, I don't know that I would have a good time playing said character.

Thanks for the consideration, DM's, and have a great time, everyone! Kick some evil butt for me!

For much the same reasons I need to drop out of this game. Everybody have fun! And again I shall quote Bobitron and say "Kick some evil butt for me!"

Rkhet · Jun 22, 2005

+stat items go up to +6, actually. He's using Ha-Naga, which has very, very nice base stats, getting a 40-pb on top of those stats, and then using magic items. It would probably help if he did a breakdown, though.

Where are the tattoos from? I have heard of them from somewhere, but it's probably not DMG. Is it in HoB?

Also: what's the ECL of a Ha-naga, anyway? Can't possibly be +6.

Bialaska · Jun 22, 2005

Kerrz said:
Bialaska: Don't get me wrong, and I'm sure the DMs will make a ruling of their own, but so far I see a few rather big problems:
1) Where the hell did this idea of Tattoos come from? You list it as the DMG, but it's definitely not from there. I mean, if they're kosher, then I want some too, but I can't find them.
2) If you are working with tattoos as double the price from the DMG, then you have to take into effect the fact that no single enchantment in any DMG magic item is greater than +5. Since you have Tattoos with bonuses like +6 and +8, this makes them epic magic items, and under a whole different set of rules (and prices which are ten times higher.)
3) Finally, how on earth do you get scores in the sixties when you're using a 40-point buy system?

1 & 2) Tattoos was simply an easy way to explain how things do not take an item slot (as per DMG, in which a magic item that has no space limitation costs x2. And it's simply a doubling of the cost of already existing magic items that aren't epic. Bracers of Armor +8, Gloves of Dexterity +6, Cloak of Charisma +6. None of those are epic items and those are among the things that has simply had it's price multiplied by 2. Those items already exist in the ordinary DMG, they're not some item that doesn't appear for the first time as Epic.

3) You are talking about my charisma? 16 starting, 26 race, 1 for level, 5 inherent, 12 enhancement. That does add up to 60. Below is my full stat calculation:
Starting: Str 12 (4), Dex 16 (10), Con 14 (6), Int 14 (6), Wis 12 (4), Cha 16 (10)
Points used: 4+10+6+6+4+10=40
Racial: Str +16, Dex +28, Con +22, Int +24, Wis +20, Cha +26
Level: Cha +1 (24)
Inherent: Str +4, Dex +5, Con +5, Int +4, Wis +4, Cha +5
Enhancement: Str +6, Dex +6, Con +6, Int +6, Wis +6, Cha +12
Total: Str 38, Dex 55, Con 47, Int 48, Wis 42, Cha 60

Bialaska · Jun 22, 2005

Rkhet said:
+stat items go up to +6, actually. He's using Ha-Naga, which has very, very nice base stats, getting a 40-pb on top of those stats, and then using magic items. It would probably help if he did a breakdown, though.

Where are the tattoos from? I have heard of them from somewhere, but it's probably not DMG. Is it in HoB?

Also: what's the ECL of a Ha-naga, anyway? Can't possibly be +6.

Again Tattoos was my own idea. I remember them from Psionics, but well, it could be small rocks hanging on my scales instead. Just not taking up item slot, that's why.

And Ha-Naga is ECL 26 according to page 156 in Epic level handbook.

D20Dazza · Jun 22, 2005

Might take the Dread Commando PC (HoB) for the rogue eh?? Or maybe a ranger would be better?

Wrahn · Jun 22, 2005

with a 50 leadeship score, I get a cohort of level 30 (25 + (50 - 40)/2). Now obviously you can't have a 30th level cohort, but it should be 29 (one less than your character level as defined on pg25 of the ELH), depending on how certain rules are interpreted. The other way to look at it though is that the maximum level should be 23 (one less than your total hitdice)

So, what am I missing here?

Bialaska · Jun 22, 2005

System Reference Document: Leadership: The character can attract a cohort of up to this level. Regardless of a character’s Leadership score, he can only recruit a cohort who is two or more levels lower than himself.

In Heroes of Battle there is a feat named Improved Cohort where the cohort can be one level below you.