Judgement Day (Full)

[Kerrz]

Fair enough Bialaska, I stand corrected (my command of the rules is somewhat... loose.) Where is the rule that you talk about though? The one about items not bound to a specific slot? I can't find the page it's on.

But yes, I'm also dumbfounded. I think I'm with Rkhet on this one, there's no way the Ha-Naga should be LA +6 (for an ECL of 26) but if it's printed that way (and I can see that it is) then I guess that's what we have to go with. It just might mean that I've got to completely rework my character... or run from yours like a little girl.

Edit: Yeah. I'm really starting to wonder about some of those ECLs on that page.
The White Slaad has an ECL of 23. It has 24HD. That means it has a -1 LA for racial mods of
+26 Str, +16 Dex, +26 Con, +16 Int, +16 Wis, +16 Cha along with various other ridiculous benefits.

 

[Bialaska]

Some of it doesn't make sense, no. Worm that Walks, Demilich, those two are some of the most understandable. Mind Flayer Paragon is also pretty balanced for it's ECL of 26. But in all honesty most of the ECLs should have been maybe 10 higher. But I guess Wizards put things the way they did for a reason.

 

[Bialaska]

The thing about not taking up an item slot can be found on page 285 in the DMG, around 1/3 down of the page:
Name: No Space Limitation
Base Price: Multiply entire cost by 2
Example: Ioun Stone

 

[Bialaska]

I'll admit that I had created a far different character if it was supposed to be one that would be more balanced. As you might realize I can do munchkinism if allowed to, although I usually prefer other types of characters. However after munchkinism was encouraged, I kinda put away the thought of the Human OneClass 30 character.

 

[Kerrz]

Yeah. That's slightly skewed. What makes me laugh is that someone pointed me to the Errata for the ELH to see if the Ha-Naga had changed and it actually hadn't. Apparently the Wizards who live by the coast believe that 26 is just right for the Ha-Naga.

Now if only there were a book with epic level GOOD monsters that have badly skewed ECLs for the other team to choose from. I've been looking at the Shiradi Eladrin, and I just don't think that its ECL of 24 can compete with the Ha-Naga's ECL of 26. I'm not even sure it could compete with the build I've already made.

Oh well. We shall fight, and I shall WIN! Or die trying.

P.S. to the DMs: Can the good guys get any sort of benefits to make up for this? I've lost track of the team-count, but it seems that we're at a disadvantage here. Maybe give us a couple million more to arm ourselves with? I ran out of money too fast, and while I think it will be hilarious when that 10% comes up and my obsidian steed takes me to the lower planes and leaves me there for a week... I would really rather buy a proper Amulet of the Planes or Cubic Gate.

 

[Rkhet]

That's because you bought far too many epic items. Really: a +8 Belt of Strength costs twenty times more than a +6. If you bought mostly nonepic, and just a few epic for the important stuff, you'd have more than enough gold to go around.

Speaking of which: that non-slot thing is giving me an idea... I think I'll go and tweak my char some more.

 

[Elocin]

I am currently working on a Good Psion character with a cohort, but upon seeing the Ha-Naga, I might make him evel as OH MY GOD that is one bad-ass critter.

Still going to go with the good psion and hopefully will have something up by the end of the week. Again my work is getting in the way of my goof off time.

 

[Kerrz]

Yeah. I'm thinking of redoing my character completely. I'm working on a Shiradi Eladrin build right now. I'll keep this whole "You don't need +8" thing in mind when I start buying equipment.

 

[Pyrex]

Ooh. Are there any spots left open on either side? I looked through the posts to date but lost count.

I'd be happy to jump in on whichever side is undermanned, if there's a tie I'd really like to flex my [Evil] muscles though.

Potential Good PCs:
--Druid 30

Potential Evil PCs:
--Necromancer (Wiz or Sor), possibly with the Lich or Ghost template
--Ghost Cleric with the Undead General Epic Feat

 

[Ferrix]

Bialaska, your save dc's don't seem correct. Shouldn't it be 10 + 25 (charisma) + spell level, for some reason you have an extra 10 there.