Justice League

I (who have only seen season 1) shall attempt to staunch the flow of Gibraltar (read: well-discerned holes) with the following cork (read: excuse theory):

Superman is, on a geometric level, just a man. Under the laws of physics, an object of roughly human mass will go flying when you hit it.

Of course, Supes can 'fly' by means of some form of localised kinetic redirection field (the only logical explanation; I reckon he's some sort of latent psychokinetic, but that's another story). He can challenge Earth's gravity, he should be able to challenge other vectors of kinesis.

Double of course, Superman is, on a mental level, just a man (with certain caveats, but that's how he spends most of his time and I guess it sticks). I think it's fairly obvious that he doesn't know how to fight very well, and that means he isn't prepared for random attacks out of nowhere or what have you. He gets thrown off balance, his inner ear gets out of whack, and he staggers around all woozy for a bit.

Doesn't explain why he gets electrocuted so much, of course. Maybe he's just vulnerable to Zappy Power, as I dimly recall electricity being dangerous in the original Supes toon. After all, he's (presumably) a carbon composite lifeform; I'm pretty sure that carbon will always conduct electricity no matter how tough it is (but don't quote me on that, I haven't looked into the conductive qualities of buckytubules and similar superstrong carbon structures). Or perhaps his innate psychokinesis barrier (I like this theory, can you tell?) is useless against molecular agitation of a sudden type.

Basically, I'm arguing that Supes is best prepared for an attack when he's prepared for it. And that he should learn kung fu instead of his current lackadaisical approach. Because he really should try harder. Unless he has no actual strength, and his psychokinesis does all the work, meaning that it's irrelevant how hard he hits, they fly back like he wants them to.

Keekhh... I overanalyse too much.
 

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In the Paradise Lost episode, Martian Manhunter is breathed upon by a huge fire snake. He seems very affected by that. After the Flash distracts the snake for a couple of seconds, J'onn, very p****-off, knocks the snake out with one punch. That's the allusion to a fire vulnerability.

Hawkwoman, if she follows the Silver Age Hawks' powers, has a limited superstrength, tough skin, reistance to elements and a limited ability to survive the void of space.

And yes, 'Starcrossed' is a very good episode.
 

I believe the comic Supes also has a vulnerability to electricity but its fairly slight, no wear near human levels just more dangerous to him than a punch (though that may have been Pre-Crisis), he also has a great big gaping weakness to magic so yeah anything magical like Cthulhu Spawn and True Demons SHOULD slap him around, its one of the few consistant threats that work on him.
 

And let's not forget Darksied. The Lord of Apokalips has routinely shown that he can take Superman down. In fact, he's the only villain who's really hurt the Man of Steel.
 


Actually, back when he had the hots for Wonder Woman ( :) ), Superman was flying through a strom and catching bolts of lightning on his chest just for fun!

And when they finally meet face-to-face, Supes frenches Diana without so much as a word! Yay, farmboy! All in the classic Action Comics 600, by Byrne and Pérez!
 

Everyone in the JL Cartoon is shown being punked out more than they ever would in the monthly titles (except for Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl, who seem to be uber-competent, ultra-tough, fearless and basically without flaw)

I think this is a great choice for the writers to make. The unending power-creep that has plagued the JLA titles for as long as I can recall (as outlined several times already in this thread) would be a death knell for a weekly cartoon.
 
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Viking Bastard said:
Well, he and Doomsday, who, y'know, killed him.

And who also got taken out without much muss or fuss. I doubt heat-vision-lobotomy would work on the real Doomsday.

And Solomon Grundy getting beaten up by Batman...that really bugs me. If you're a slow, ponderous. hulking brute, you had at least better be able to withstand a karate kick or an electrified batarang without crumbling.

[EDIT--Grundy also got knocked out by gas on at least one occassion, which shouldn't work since he's undead and therefore doesn't breathe. VERY sloppy!]
 
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Teflon Billy said:
I think this is a great choice for the writers to make. The unending power-creep that has plagued the JLA titles for as long as I can recall (as outlined several times already in this thread) would be a death knell for a weekly cartoon.

Now those are some puzzling comments. The Justice League is not really about character growth or relationships like, say, the X-Men. Although character-growth elements are injected in some storylines, what the JL is really about is being the most badass dream-team of superheroes on the planet, so saying that they're "plagued by power-creep" is a bit odd, if not altogether out-of-place. They were as powerful as it gets from day one. What the heck else are they there for?

If any jerk with an electrified floor or a concussion bomb or knockout gas can take them down, then they're not meeting the primary criteria for being the JL.

I can see why it's an understandable choice to have them get punked out so easily in their cartoon incarnation (it's basically a cop-out on the part of the writers trying to move a half-hour show along), but a "great" choice?
 
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