D&D General Kobold Press Going Down a Dark Road

[Maxperson]

Okay, so what do you think older players like?

Just because of the focus previously on high disposable income.

Higher disposable income means more money after expenses. It wasn't brought up as an indication that older people would spend $500 on a book. The product doesn't have to be expensive.

That's okay. I think you are watching my share as well.

Maybe! Don't watch Mario. We took our 9 year old to see it on Saturday and unlike other movies that have things in it for adults................this really didn't have much. I highly recommend the D&D movie, though. We're going to see it again next weekend.

 

[Maxperson]

yeah, but at that point we are no longer talking about a mistake

Right. It could have been a mistake, but it seems like one that is a bit harder to make than other typos and with a company that has repeatedly lied/skewed things when they have talked to us in the past and as recently as a few months ago, I don't have any reason to extend to them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Can confirm, I was 14-20 when tge Prequels came out, and they were not inspiring.

Eh I mostly liked them, and I was around the same age. Kids younger than us? Man, they lose that stuff.

I used to wish they’d just redo Jar Jar’s scenes and make him less slapstick, but knowing how hard the fandom was on the actor and how it hit him, nah. Screw that. No changes.

It’s cool as hell to see HC back doing Star Wars, too. I kinda wish they’d had him in the sequel trilogy talking to Luke, tbh.

 

[mamba]

Eberron: Rising from the Last War was neither a sweeping reboot nor a cut-and-paste reprint. There were some small changes, and obviously the mechanical updates, but overall it was recognizably the same setting from 3E and 4E.

So the way WotC is ignoring old gamers is by rarely releasing settings books?

Even if this were true, how does this at all relate to the 1DD changes?

 

[mamba]

Right. It could have been a mistake, but it seems like one that is a bit harder to make than other typos and with a company that has repeatedly lied/skewed things when they have talked to us in the past and as recently as a few months ago, I don't have any reason to extend to them the benefit of the doubt.

to me that feels a bit paranoid, the mistake explanation is more likely to me. I also see nothing they would gain by lying here

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Rogue One was pretty popular. I wouldn't call those who like it Sith. For that matter I wouldn't seriously call those who dislike it Sith.

Sure. My thoughts on whether a movie like it belongs in Star Wars would just derail us even more than we are, so I’ll leave it.

It's a distinction without a difference. Star Wars was brought up as an example of something that young people spend much more money on than older folks to match what D&D is supposed to be doing. Whether it was aimed at adults or children is not really relevant. Who spends the money on it is relevant and it's older people(45+) that are overwhelmingly the fans of Star Wars.

Relevant or not, you made a false statement, and then when proved wrong tried to act like you’d actually made a different statement. I find that objectionable, so I objected.

I also don’t think it is irrelevant.

The point of contention in this thread that it relates to is exactly the one wherein Star Wars came up. That is, whether kids media appeals to adults. Trying to redefine Star Wars as not made for kids because adults like it a lot is pretty wild.

Lots of media made for kids successfully appeals to adults, from cartoons like new She-Ra and MLP:FiS, to, yes, Star Wars.

 

[Maxperson]

to me that feels a bit paranoid, the mistake explanation is more likely to me. I also see nothing they would gain by lying here

I can. If they're trying to push a narrative to explain the changes that they are making, setting up numbers to support that narrative helps them out.

 

[Parmandur]

Or they just stuck the percentage somewhere else that they wanted it to be. There are more options that just those two. No need for any typo to happen.

...?

Why invent some bizarre conspiracy when the teverything? explains evrything?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Eberron: Rising from the Last War was neither a sweeping reboot nor a cut-and-paste reprint. There were some small changes, and obviously the mechanical updates, but overall it was recognizably the same setting from 3E and 4E.

Also pretty much the only 5e setting update I was happy with.

 

[Parmandur]

Right. It could have been a mistake, but it seems like one that is a bit harder to make than other typos and with a company that has repeatedly lied/skewed things when they have talked to us in the past and as recently as a few months ago, I don't have any reason to extend to them the benefit of the doubt.

So they could lie about something basic, but a typo in a presentation is improbavle...? Never attribute to malice what can be ex0lained by incompetence, particularly when the person who made the mistake came clean and fixed it.