ExploderWizard
Hero
We are still very early in the adventure, not even 2nd level yet. I thought magic items were not supposed to be such " must have" items in 4E?
KotS treasure
- Thread starter Nikosandros
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Yes... and no. You generally want to have appropriate level weapons/implements, armor and neck items to keep your attacks and defenses at the right spot for your level.
But in general, most items are there to give you cool things to do, but not to be what defines your character and lets them overcome all obstacles.
My own group is just about to finish H2 and has fallen quite a bit behind on loot, since H1 and H2 are somewhat light on treasure and we have 7 players (and the DM didn't have the time to add more items to compensate.) We are still doing just fine - the lack of items hasn't spelled instant doom.
But... items are still nice.
Treasure and rewards are certainly something characters (and players) enjoy, and so it is nice to see the expected amount of them - especially when you are in the situation where it is almost better to die off and come in with a new, fully-equipped character. That is clearly a sign that something has gone wrong!
Plane Sailing
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I'd be interested in that pdf too - could you email it to me?
axnx40 at dsl dot pipex dot com
Cheers
ExploderWizard
Hero
Ok I think that covers what I was talking about. You still have to have key items of a certain power for your level or you will suck. I was hoping that would not be the case. I haven't looked at much stuff in detail past the first few levels.
Plane Sailing
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Looking at the treasure parcels in the DMG, I would expect H1 to cover levels 1-3, and as such would have 12 magic items.
1x level 2
2x level 3
3x level 4
4x level 5
3x level 6
2x level 7
1x level 8
The stuff that the party picked up in my campaign in H1?
1x level 1
1x level 2
1x level 4
3x level 5
1x level 6
This kind of thing disappoints me a little - it seems that part of the point of introductory modules such as H1 is that they should showcase the rules - which would somewhat include illustrating appropriate provision of treasure!
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1x level 2
2x level 3
3x level 4
4x level 5
3x level 6
2x level 7
1x level 8
The stuff that the party picked up in my campaign in H1?
1x level 1
1x level 2
1x level 4
3x level 5
1x level 6
This kind of thing disappoints me a little - it seems that part of the point of introductory modules such as H1 is that they should showcase the rules - which would somewhat include illustrating appropriate provision of treasure!
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jbear
First Post
Well that takes any doubt away from the question at hand... and yes I agree with you that it seems like a rather lazy oversight, but fortunately one that a DM can correct very easily (especially reading what's missing from your list)
I adapted my party's lvl 2 characters from 3.5 to 4e and gave them the adventure in the DMG as a warm up adventure adjusted to their level using the kobolds given in the Dragon (Dungeon?) supplement... As I had the AV in my hot little hands I made sure by the end they would have the appropriate magic items for their level as specified by the DMG packages.
I guess I will do the same thing with KotS which is where the hooks will lead them... they are about to reach 3rd level and I don't owe them any treasure so... Ratmaster Kobolds and Kobold Swarms on the cards; I will sprinkle the appropriate treasure around at my discretion as well, using PHB and Adventurers Vault and make sure they stay on track with the Treasure Packages...
What I was wondering, once each character has some magic Armour and a good weapon and something cool like .... say an onyx dog, and I don't want them to have so many magic items that they dont know what to use... does a 6th level potion count as a 6th level magic Item as far as packages go even though the price difference between a 6th level sword and a 6th level potion is really big?
theRogueRooster
First Post
I think your chart is a bit off. Running through levels 1-3 should net you:
1x level 2
2x level 3
3x level 4
3x level 5
2x level 6
1x level 7
That gives you the 12 magic items you mentioned. Also, I went through KotS today for this very purpose and found the following levels of magic items:
1x level 1
2x level 2
3x level 3
2x level 4
2x level 5
1x level 6
+1 magic item I couldn't place a level for.
That brings us to 12 magic items, but not all at the correct levels.
-tRR
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Saeviomagy
Adventurer
The other big thing is that there's a fair few items that are not that good for the average party. I imagine it's pretty easy to accidentally have a party where only one or two items out of the entire deal are actually worth using (ie - for many classes there are items for only one of the two build options). It would have been pretty easy in my opinion to have a mix of items that would have been universally good.
Correct. Both H1 and H2 have the proper NUMBER of items (12 each...) but neither of them have the proper item levels, and of course, the desirability of many of the items is a bit lacking (Bag of Holding is a perfect example of an item that I'd expect a 5th level character to *purchase*, but wouldn't be excited about finding even as a 1st level character).
For H2, the breakdown is:
Magic:
5th level - +1 Lifedrinker Scimitar
6th level - +2 Magic Orb
6th level - Shadowfell Gloves (Heroic tier)
6th level - +2 Magic Staff
7th level - Belt of Sacrifice
7th level - Dwarven Greaves
7th level - Cloak of Resistance +2
7th level - Bracers of Defense (Heroic tier)
7th level - +2 Elven Cloak
8th level - +2 Delver's Chainmail
8th level - +2 Amulet of Health
10th level - +2 Flaming Maul
(1x 5th, 3x 6th, 5x 7th, 2x 8th, 1x 10th)
Cash: 6012 gp total
Should be:
1x 5th level
2x 6th level
3x 7th level
3x 8th level
2x 9th level
1x 10th level
Cash: 7280gp
