Lifetime boycott of D&D-branded products?

[Parmandur]

Really.

Have you read the Anti-OGL?

Hasbro-WotC is precisely calculating how to crush any, by various angles of assault.

Yes, it is hamfisted, but the intent was to profit off of derivative work, not "crush" anyone. WotC is probably in shock at the reaction to a reasonable percentage off the top of high value projects: theybprobavly calculated that it was a good deal from a finance perspective.

 

[Yaarel]

Hoping to get royalties is a different thing than "crushing," and it is hardly abnormal let alone immoral to pursue that. Doesn't bother me.

Assaulting the OGL 1.0a and all of the Open Gaming Content that it legally SHARES would be

CRUSHING.

The Anti-OGL would make it impossible for YOU to share YOUR open content with anyone else − except Hasbro-WotC who can steal it.

 

[Scribe]

Hoping to get royalties is a different thing than "crushing," and it is hardly abnormal let alone immoral to pursue that.

So you believe.

Doesn't bother me.

Clearly. I'm sure the various folks out there who are going to see their own margins shrink or who have had their business impacted, feel otherwise, but sleep well, megacorps absorb negative press all the time.

Yes, it is hamfisted, but the intent was to profit off of derivative work, not "crush" anyone. WotC is probably in shock at the reaction to a reasonable percentage off the top of high value projects: theybprobavly calculated that it was a good deal from a finance perspective.

 

[Cadence]

As an example, WotC prints all D&D games in the U.S. instead of third world sweat shops.

I am glad they don't use printing in morally problematic countries, and I'm happy to support a local business. "Open gaming" is not my concern.

Since you list having things printed in the US as a big concern, you might want to check your WotC produced titles individually. Going through our collection just now, our DMG, Tasha's, Xanathar's, Monsters of the Multiverse, Ebberon, Hoard of the Dragon Queen, Volo, Sword Coast, Princes of the Apocalypse, Essentials Kit, Creatures Campaign Case, and Spell Book Cards Ranger were all printed in China.

I had thought they were all printed US like the PHB until I checked.


Note: Edited to indicate that the country they were printed in.

 

[Zardnaar]

Since printing in morally problematic countries is a concern of yours, you might want to check your WotC produced titles individually. Going through our collection just now our DMGs, Tasha's, Xanathar's, Monsters of the Multiverse, Ebberon, Hoard of the Dragon Queen, Volo, Sword Coast, Princes of the Apocalypse, Essentials Kit, and Creatures Campaign Case were all printed outside of the US.

What country?

 

[Scribe]

What country?

I'd assume China. I thought only first printing is done in the US? I'd have to go dig out my copies, but cannot be bothered.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'd assume China. I thought only first printing is done in the US? I'd have to go dig out my copies, but cannot be bothered.

Yeah mine are all the way over there.

I've minimized my purchases from problematic countries. Need vs want sorta thing.

 

[Scribe]

Yeah mine are all the way over there.

I've minimized my purchases from problematic countries. Need vs want sorta thing.

Yeah, it kind of goes back to that comment "Funny, you live in a society." or whatever that meme is. Boycott McDonalds? Easy. I've done that since I was 15. Boycott CHINA? lol good luck on the farmstead my friends.

 

[Cadence]

What country?

Edited the post to say non-US country and to indicate it was China.

 

[I'm A Banana]

How about a ‘lifetime boycott’ from purchasing new D&D-branded products? (If I were to take this up, I’d still allow myself to pick up used copies.)

 

[Zardnaar]

Yeah, it kind of goes back to that comment "Funny, you live in a society." or whatever that meme is. Boycott McDonalds? Easy. I've done that since I was 15. Boycott CHINA? lol good luck on the farmstead my friends.

I buy stuff like clothing probably from China.

This cellphone is 5 years old I've got a new Samsung but haven't got around to changing the sim over. Or charging it.

 

[Yaarel]

If the intention is to boycott Hasbro-WotC, then buying used copies of books is sorta like doing a free infomercial on their behalf to help propagate Hasbro-WotC.

 

[Cadence]

If the intention is to boycott Hasbro-WotC, then buying used copies of books is sorta like doing a free infomercial on their behalf to help propagate Hasbro-WotC.

Feels like only buying out of print ones from used bookstores is supporting small businesses and not encouraging purchase of newer printings?

 

[Parmandur]

Since you list having things printed in the US as a big concern, you might want to check your WotC produced titles individually. Going through our collection just now, our DMG, Tasha's, Xanathar's, Monsters of the Multiverse, Ebberon, Hoard of the Dragon Queen, Volo, Sword Coast, Princes of the Apocalypse, Essentials Kit, Creatures Campaign Case, and Spell Book Cards Ranger were all printed in China.

I had thought they were all printed US like the PHB until I checked.


Note: Edited to indicate that the country they were printed in.

Since you list having things printed in the US as a big concern, you might want to check your WotC produced titles individually. Going through our collection just now, our DMG, Tasha's, Xanathar's, Monsters of the Multiverse, Ebberon, Hoard of the Dragon Queen, Volo, Sword Coast, Princes of the Apocalypse, Essentials Kit, Creatures Campaign Case, and Spell Book Cards Ranger were all printed in China.

I had thought they were all printed US like the PHB until I checked.


Note: Edited to indicate that the country they were printed in.

And that is significantly more important than the "Open Gaming" kerfuffle. I had checked a large number of the books in the past, and they were printed in the U.S., I'll be taking another look at that.

 

[Parmandur]

I buy stuff like clothing probably from China.

This cellphone is 5 years old I've got a new Samsung but haven't got around to changing the sim over. Or charging it.

Perfection is impossible. As long as cooperation with rail remains remote and material, I don't sweat it. Feel compelled to buy fair trade coffee and sugar, because thst crosses a line into formal cooperation instead of just material.

 

[Yaarel]

Feels like only buying out of print ones from used bookstores is supporting small businesses and not encouraging purchase of newer printings?

For me, it depends 100% on the extirpation of the Anti-OGL.

If the Anti-OGL or the threat of a future one is still in play by next Friday, I will never say the words "Dungeons & Dragons" again except to destroy it.



The only way that D&D could be saved is if Hasbro-WotC sells the D&D trademarks to a wiser steward of the D&D culture.



Better yet. Hasbro-WotC transfer every SRD plus 1e-2e and 4e plus the Open Gaming Content rights of the OGL 1.0a to the new ORC license that Paizo et al are putting together!

 

[Zardnaar]

For me, it depends 100% on the extirpation of the Anti-OGL.

If the Anti-OGL or the threat of a future one is still in play by next Friday, I will never say the words "Dungeons & Dragons" again except to destroy it.



The only way that D&D could be saved is if Hasbro-WotC sells the D&D trademarks to a wiser steward of the D&D culture.



Better yet. Hasbro-WotC transfer every SRD plus 1e-2e and 4e plus the Open Gaming Content rights of the OGL 1.0a to the new ORC license that Paizo et al are putting together!

I have two things for them. Fire and Blood

This also works

 

[Cadence]

And that is significantly more important than the "Open Gaming" kerfuffle. I had checked a large number of the books in the past, and they were printed in the U.S., I'll be taking another look at that.

@Scribe said upthread that they thought only the first printings were done in the US. I didn't check what printings ours were, just where. (Looked like about 2/3 or so were China). In any case WotC does seem to print there quite a bit :-(

 

[Scribe]

@Scribe said upthread that they thought only the first printings were done in the US

Yeah, pretty sure I read it somewhere. I think it was when I was looking into when they stealth removed the Wall of the Faithless from SCAG that I was looking into it.

 

[Zardnaar]

Yeah, pretty sure I read it somewhere. I think it was when I was looking into when they stealth removed the Wall of the Faithless from SCAG that I was looking into it.

Thus is why 1E will win the edition wars. It's the only one that can physically survive the apocalypse.