ValhallaGH
Explorer
Gah! Too much Trailblazer, apparently. Thanks for the correction.
Looking for some AC help
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lordxaviar
Explorer
I didnt forget the pragmatic value of money.... need more... go out and kill more...easier than in our Real world...
.Scarcity of money in a real game situation? you loose me on that one...
well since you attempted to shoot down what i said...back up what you have said...
what better bang for his buck? - slaming my post without answering his post's query is the sure fire path to wasted posts (flame wars..)
and prices arent really that out of touch if he is in a very high level campaign ya think?
and I mentioned the dex increases where your left with a max addition from the armor, so thats out.
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lordxaviar
Explorer
that was a Ring of force shield, it was new to me also, came across it in the DMG. and you dont have any ring of pro.. so one of any str. would help, a +1 is only 2k... pretty cheap for the value.
The cloak of protection is deflection bonus. The ring of protection is also a deflection bonus, I believe, which is why they don't go together.
Although I think the cloak of protection technically doesn't exist in the 3.5 magic item world, but we only use those as "go-by's".
That's probably your lowest priority, because it's quite expensive and does not outdo cat's grace, which you'll be able to cast with one more assassin level. The spell is temporary (and doesn't stack) but does give you one more AC point when you need it.
StreamOfTheSky
Adventurer
I think you're confusing some pre-3E item with 3E's cloak of resistance, which gives a saving throw bonus. The only cloaks and other non-ring items that give deflection bonus to AC are in Magic Item Compendium.
I think the answer is yes and no to the question. The DMG for 3.5 only gives a cloak of resistance or a ring of protection, but whose to say you couldn't have a cloak of protection in place of a ring of protection. It doesn't HAVE to be enchanted on a ring only.
Everything provided in the DMG is just a "go by". There is no reason you couldn't have a Frostbrand Axe, Cloak of Health, or Amulet of Intellect.
It just happens to be in this instance that we killed peeps that had a Cloak of Protection +3 with DR 5 to Cold, Fire, Electricity, and Sonic.
StreamOfTheSky
Adventurer
Yup, you can. I know for example the MIC has robes that give deflection. I thought you just had resistance to saves confused because someone mentioned a cloak earlier (I'm guessing in the vein of..."AC's all well and good, but increasing your defense against magic is important, too.").
Empirate
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In all campaigns I've ever played in or DMed, money was something you wanted and never had enough of. Sure, if you need more, you can go out and kill things and take their stuff. It's just that those things you go out to kill will try to return the favor, and if you're easy to hit (as the OP seems to be), then that's bad. BEFORE you have the money to decrease your chances of biting the dust in your 'fundraising operation'.
I just though it was quite obvious how you could get better bang for your buck. A Ring of Protection +5 is 50,000 gp, a Ring of Force Shield is 8,500 gp. Note that according to the wealth-by-level guidelines, an 11th level character is expected to have 66,000 gp of valuable, usable stuff. The two items you named are almost as much as his whole expected wealth combined. Now the OP said his campaign was high-powered, but still.
My idea (Ring of Blinking) - which I posted to help the OP only a few posts before yours btw (regarding "slaming my post without answering his post's query is the sure fire path to wasted posts") - is 27,000 gp, less than half of 58,500 gp. And it gives better protection from hits, as well as other perks.
Your ideas are constructive (Ring of Force Shield is an interesting alternative to an Animated Shield), but seemed to me to contain some obvious flaws, which I pointed out. No intention to slam you or even start a flame war, just expressing my opinion.
lordxaviar
Explorer
sorry empirate was a rush post, I was leaving and should have read it out more carefully.
different point, someone mentioned that the DMG is a guide,,, well then there is no reason why the +'s of things could be even higher, disregard one suggested rule disregard another just as easy. I just stick to the books, keeps monty haul in his grave.
As for treasure, my players (or most of them in the past) were Dm's and very intelligent and had whole entourages, waggons labors, etc for hauling away every last copper piece, bought businesses, etc to increase wealth and holdings. So money can become something to just spend so 50k is not out of the world.
One comment... the DMG list of wealth characters should have is kinda weak, and can hurt the fun.... I mean you have a adult red dragon hoard (do you have to reduce what s in it because the players are all loaded with treasure and magic that puts them over their level totals? I dont worry about that one very much.
different point, someone mentioned that the DMG is a guide,,, well then there is no reason why the +'s of things could be even higher, disregard one suggested rule disregard another just as easy. I just stick to the books, keeps monty haul in his grave.
As for treasure, my players (or most of them in the past) were Dm's and very intelligent and had whole entourages, waggons labors, etc for hauling away every last copper piece, bought businesses, etc to increase wealth and holdings. So money can become something to just spend so 50k is not out of the world.
One comment... the DMG list of wealth characters should have is kinda weak, and can hurt the fun.... I mean you have a adult red dragon hoard (do you have to reduce what s in it because the players are all loaded with treasure and magic that puts them over their level totals? I dont worry about that one very much.
