Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers ENworld reviews & discussion (SPOILERS)

Uhhh, maybe because she was the only female Rohan NOBLE we see in the movie? The rest of the Rohan women in the movie are either peasants or refugees. Of course she is going to look a lot cleaner than any of them.



FraserRonald said:


Yeah, hadn't really thought of that.

"How do you know she's a star?"

"She hasn't got sh%# all over her."
 

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As posted on Celebrim's "PJ sucks" thread

Just got back from the film.

Decided to try a little trick.

Turned on part of brain which recognises similarities with the book, and enjoyed those scenes.

Turned off part of brain which dislikes changes from the original, watched those scenes as part of Jackson's film and not Tolkien's book, and enjoyed them too.

Had a blast.

Going back in a couple of days.
 

Wife and I just got back from our third viewing of the film. Still rocks as hard as it did during the first viewing, even more so, if that's possible.

We caught a couple little things we didn't catch the first couple times, and I'm sure subsequent viewings will reveal more little details.

I noted tonight that the movie is striking me more emotionally every time I see it. Maybe it's because I know what's coming, or whatever, but there are a lot of places in the film where I catch myself getting misty-eyed or even shedding tears. Peter Jackson, you rock.

In summary, I've read the books and love what Tolkien did with his story, and I've see these two films and love how PJ is interpreting the story. None of the changes have bothered me in the least, and many of them I appreciate.

Damn fine film. Can't wait for ROTK.
 

For pity's sake, I don't think that Peter, Fran, and Phillipa have gone to all of the trouble of braving fanboy ridicule by beefing up the Aragorn/Arwen love story just to ship her off to Valinor. He's trying to build a little dramatic tension. Ever hear of it? It's that thing that you have as long as you want in a 1300 page novel to build, but that you have to do in a concise way in a 9 hour movie.


If you watch the director's commentary on the extended edition, Peter et al. say that they hope that most fans will get to watch the extended edition before TTT comes out because of the extended gift-giving scene. But then they point out that the casual movie-goer is probably not going to notice the continuity problem, since unless it is pointed out to you, there is no reason to think that there is anything special about the daggers except that Merry and Pippin had them. Since my wife (who hasn't watched the extended edition yet) didn't notice when we saw TTT, I think they are probably correct in their assumption.

(BTW, if you haven't listened to the commentaries on the extended edition, do so. Peter's et al. is the most informative and explains a lot of their decisions, but the cast's is probably the most fun.)

Maybe I'm just completely clutching at straws here in defense of what I think is the most moving piece of cinema I've seen this year, but I think that Theoden's moments of despair are intended to kind of clue the audience in to the fact that there really is something to fear in the siege. I can't remember what Theoden's character was like in the book (I'm rereading The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings as we speak), but I have always liked the old saying that goes something like: "True courage is when you are afraid of what you must do, but you do it anyway." Y'all can gripe all you want about how Theoden seems weaker than he does in the book; to me, he just seems more human.

God forbid a screenplay adaptation attempt to create some audience sympathy for characters than can come off as a little stiff in their original medium.

If you want something that mimics the novel more, try the excellent BBC radio play. Just put it on the right chapter and mute the appropriate scene in the movie. Sure the dialogue won't match up to the actors' mouths, but at least Tolkien's characters would be preserved.


On a lighter note, I remember a lot of posters on these boards worrying that those who had never read the book would be corrupted by this "bastardized" film version. Since she saw the first part, my wife has read the book, which she had never intended to do before. This year is also the first time that FotR, TTT, and RotK have been checked out more than the Harry Potter books by the students at the middle school where I teach. Sounds to me like PJ has perpetuated Tolkien's greatness instead of diluting it.

Ah well, I would never have read Gone with the Wind if I hadn't seen the movie first, but I certainly think the book is superior. I just see Vivien Leigh and Clark Gable's faces whenever I read a scene with Scarlett and Rhett.
 

DocMoriartty said:
Uhhh, maybe because she was the only female Rohan NOBLE we see in the movie? The rest of the Rohan women in the movie are either peasants or refugees. Of course she is going to look a lot cleaner than any of them.

Actually, that was just referring to a scene from "Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail".

I would like to know who's carrying her tub or basin around with them on their trek to Helm's Deep. Her and Legolas must share one.

In any case, it didn't really bother me, just commenting on another poster's point.
 

JRRNeiklot said:
Arragorn had to talk him into riding out to face the orc horde. In the book, Theoden asked Arragorn to ride with him. A complete reversal of roles. Why? Doesn't make sense. It served no purpose. Furthered no plot. It did nothing except make Theoden look that much weaker.

The entire exchange consists of:

Theoden: "What can we do against such reckless hate?"

Aragorn: "Ride out to meet it."

Theoden (paraphrased): "Yes!"

So, no, Aragorn doesn't talk Theoden into anything here. It's Aragorn who voices the idea, but there's nothing else to be done anyway, and Theoden agrees immediately.
 
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theburningman said:
For pity's sake, I don't think that Peter, Fran, and Phillipa have gone to all of the trouble of braving fanboy ridicule by beefing up the Aragorn/Arwen love story just to ship her off to Valinor. He's trying to build a little dramatic tension. Ever hear of it? It's that thing that you have as long as you want in a 1300 page novel to build, but that you have to do in a concise way in a 9 hour movie.

Obviously Peter Jackson is Satan and desires nothing more than to destroy my cherished dreams. This is obvious becuase he cut the pivotal character of Erkenbrand. Clearly there was no reason to do this, so it could only have been done out of spite.

reh teh suxx00rs!1!1
 

I saw it for the first time yesterday morning.

I thought it was brilliant. While I am a big fan of Tolkien and the books (they still are my fave reads ever), I’m not adverse to changes fro the books for the sake of making a good movie (that does not mean that I don’t think some things could have been done differently or added however).

1) I didn’t see the gross mischarcterization (is that a word?) that others saw in Faramir. Perhaps a bit more forceful than the book portrays him, but I thought he was well done. He shows his greater wisdom than Boromir when needed.

2) I would have preferred Eowyn to be a bit more warrior-like, but I don’t think it detracts from the part of the story that is portrayed in this movie.

3) Some of the CGI was bit “rougher” than the FotR (the Ents in particular), but not so rough I didn’t enjoy it. For what was lacking, I felt it was made up in other places i.e. The Balrog, all of the Battle of Helm’s Deep, etc

4) I though Grima and Theoden were VERY well done. Grima especially…creepy…Theoden was very well acted, and I did not find him so out of character from the books that I was dissapointed

5) Gollum…The actual look of Gollum surprised me…I thought he would be a bit more monstrous…but I was not disappointed..the acting and CGI was superb IMO (especially in the initial encounter as he fights Sam and Frodo ..and great interaction by the actors as well!). And he added a bit of (needed at times) comic relief….his little happy song as he caught a fish song was great. The rabbit scene was pretty good too.

6) Once again Peter Jackson has done for me what I thought impossible…totally capture the images in my brain on what I thought Orcs would look,sound , and act like. The “argument” over Pippin and Merry was spot-on AFAIC. And of course at Helm’s Deep in full armor waiting to charge as they roar in the general silence otherwise..fantastic…

7) The Haradrim or perhaps the Easterlings as they enter the Black Gate: Armor and costume was excellent. As was with Rohan. One thing that is very cool about these films is the distinctions made between the various peoples and creatures. Gondorians do not look like the Rohirrim (sp), the Elves look otherworldly comparatively. The armor depicted at the end of the Second Age does not look like the armor depicted in the War of the Ring, etc. Most other films would likely have all the same armor with just a different flag or helm to differentiate between races or time periods. Excellent.

I did not go into the Theatre expecting to be “blown away” like I was with the first movie. All I wanted was more of the same, and that’s what I got.

One of the coolest things I noticed was the audience: Kids… Lots of kids. This is a great thing IMO. While these films may not have the impact Star Wars does or did in general, but if LotR has the same impact on the Kids of today that Star Wars left on me and my generation in 1977, this is a VERY good thing. And who knows, if they are successful enough, perhaps we shall see some of the 1st and 2nd Ages of Middle Earth brought to the Silver Screen! (who would not like to see Melkor/Morgoth, Gothmog and the rest of the Balrogs fighting the powerful Elves of the past ages?)

I also noticed in the 3 times I saw FotR and yesterday at TTT, that the audience clapped as the movie finished. I don’t see many movies in the theatre (in fact I’ve been to the theatre more times in the past year than I have in the 12 years previous to it), but I don’t recall hearing clapping at the end except when I was a kid seeing the Star Wars films. Even when I saw AotC and TPM, there was no applause at the end from the crowd (and no snide comments about those movies please..hee hee).
 

Assenpfeffer said:


The entire exchange consists of:

Theoden: "What can we do against such reckless hate?"

Aragorn: "Ride out to meet it."

Theoden (paraphrased): "Yes!"

So, no, Aragorn doesn't talk Theoden into anything here. It's Aragorn who voices the idea, but there's nothing else to be done anyway, and Theoden agrees immediately.

This was my only complaint with movie Theoden. Theoden was completely lost in despair at that point, not even caring if some of his people might be able to survive if they left the caves while his men held off the orcs. Aragorn had to take charge and only when he suggested they charge out did Theoden wake up.

Also earlier Theoden was shown choosing to go to Helm's Deep not as a tactical decision, but as the one place he thought they could basically hide from Saruman's forces. So I guess that's two complaints :)

They made these decisions to weaken Theoden's character and make Aragorn be the hero, which was unecessary in my opinion. We already know Aragorn is a true hero. Little changes like that just bug me.
 

Olorin said:
They made these decisions to weaken Theoden's character and make Aragorn be the hero, which was unecessary in my opinion. We already know Aragorn is a true hero. Little changes like that just bug me.

Have you considered the possibility that the way this happened on film might be the means to tie the Rohirrim into the Pelennor Fields? That it's a cleaner (i. e. more filmable) alternative to the complicated history of alliance between Rohan and Gondor that we see in the books?

See, that's my problem with the attitude in evidence here. We see part of the equation and assume that it's wrong, or a mistake, because it differs very slightly from the book, without having seen how the other end of the plot thread plays out.
 

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