Tony Vargas
Legend
It's ennobling privation. Like the stereotypical depression-era old man telling you about how he walked 10 miles to school in the snow, so you shouldn't complain that the school bus is always late and smells like urine.
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Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
Assuming that there weren't people running around, telling everyone that unless they've been dusted with special pixie dust, they're not creative and are unable to do creative work.
Look, I guarantee you've read some truly dreadful fantasy novels published by an actual publishing house (not self-published), watched incoherent movies and turned off the radio when you've heard horrible screeching passing for singing. You are at least as capable as many professionals. We all are.
The self-inflicted impostor syndrome is the problem here, not a lack of magical creativity juice flowing through your veins.
Um, no. Privation? Really?
Because a company isn't making a product to your exact specifications, despite your complaints on an internet site that the company doesn't read?
As has been mentioned repeatedly, you have options. You can play 4e. You can DIY it. You can use 3PP. You can play another game.
Instead, we see that there are people who refuse to accept that this game doesn't have their exact desire, and will choose to bring that up in thread after thread. Which, you know, good for you! But it's not going to change anything.
And it's not privation, or deprivation. It's just the same story, different day. Either you want a solution to your problems, or you don't. If you want a solution, that's cool! People will help you.
If you just want to air your grievances, then that's fine too - but don't expect anyone to agree with you that this is some sort of privation, or that other people have to agree with your complaints.
Tony Vargas
Legend
I mean, yeah. It's a common generational thing. Older generation didn't have something, younger generation does, that privation is painted as making the older generation nobler & better, and the younger privileged, and if they dare want something more as well, whiney & entitled.
No offense, but ... it's not exactly the young 'uns at this point screaming for the Warlord.
This is more a case of, "In my day, we had real classes, like the Warlord. And you whippersnappers don't know how terrible the game is now. Your game is terrible because you don't have what we had back in the day, and let me tell you what ... my game was better! You 5e players, with your tactically uninteresting play and your Witchlight Whatevers ... you're not even playing REAL D&D are you? I bet you haven't even heard of page 42!"
So, not sure you want to pull that card.
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Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
Not without stretching first and some Icy Hot close at hand, anyway.So, not sure you want to pull that card.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Seriously, I do not see why people don't just use a 3pp warlord, or make their own if they feel so strongly about it. Make a case to your GM if you have to.
WotC is not going to do it for you. That, I think, should be clear by now. They have other priorities.
Tony Vargas
Legend
None taken, I know I'm old.
The idea that the game should actually provide options, not just be home-brewed into acceptability does go back to 3e, when RaW and 'Player Entitlement' became things, but it hasn't exactly gone away.
The idea of fixing up your D&D, rather than expecting TSR to do it for you, goes all the way back, heck, the D&D ball got rolling when Arneson fixed up Chainmail. We didn't have so many or so complete or such professionally produced games back in the day, so we sought out or/and created all sorts of variants.
That doesn't make us better than WotC era fans who got more, and may want (or want back) still more.
Atomoctba
Adventurer
I must be old and tired grumpy guy now, but I cannot connect with people complaining how a game is awful for their tastes, but insists in play that same game. No game shall be fun for everyone and it is ok. The games and tone I like can be the same games and tone some people consider awful, and vice versa, and it is ok. However, if you think a game is terrible, why insisting in play it? Certainly there is games more appropriate to your tastes.
None taken, I know I'm old.
The idea that the game should actually provide options, not just be home-brewed into acceptability does go back to 3e, when RaW and 'Player Entitlement' became things, but it hasn't exactly gone away.
I disagree. That goes back to the beginning of the game. From OD&D (when we had classes added and added) through AD&D (with Dragon's "NPC" classes and Oriental Adventures and Unearthed Arcana and 3PP) and arguably reached a crescendo in 2e (Complete X, Player's Options).
I would say again that this was a hobbyist game from the beginning, so it makes sense that people have always tinkered with it. Anything from adjusting rules, to creating whole new games (most of the early RPGs were simply massive variants of OD&D that were created from DM's notes that evolved over time).
But that impulse has never changed. It's not like people stopped writing their own stuff with 3e. The D&D community has always had a high tolerance for homebrew.
There's no "better" or "worse." But there is "realistic." As I wrote before, you are either looking for a solution, or you are looking to air your grievance.
Start by understanding what it is you are actually doing. Because if you believe that you are truly affecting change, and that any day now WoTC is going to release the Tony Vargas Warlord, well, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. If, on the other hand, you are just airing grievances, then you might want to be a little less grouchy to people who say that there are solutions.
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