Mirror Image and Magic Missile


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I can't see it in the FAQ - it must be a Sage response.

As I've said, I hate that ruling and don't use it, so I didn't really care where it came from when it was quoted at me ;)

-Hyp.
 


See I play that MM auto hits its target. (Same as it you rolled a 20)

Image is gone.

A 20 is a critical threat... shouldn't they roll to confirm?

Why don't rogues get sneak attack damage?

What about the miss chance for Displacement?

[shakes head] Targetted spells don't need attack rolls, and they don't behave like spells that require attack rolls.

-Hyp.
 

Hypersmurf said:


Well, "the magic missile hits the image and it disappears" gives away information that spells-with-attack-rolls are for, in my opinion, but hey... ;)

-Hyp.

True, but that statement was in reference for spells like Message. Anyway, I've known what your position has been on this for awhile and I'm not trying to convince you otherwise - just stating how I like to use it and feel comfortable with.

IceBear
 

AEtherfyre said:


What about ones that give saves?

After all, with targeted spells, you know if your target saves or not. What happens if you hit an image with, say, Charm Person? What about Hold Person?

Well, what happens when you hit someone with one of those spells anyway? Oh, he stopped moving. Now did I really hold him or is he pretending to be held? Oh he's still moving, did he make his save, is he immune to hold spells, spell resistance, or is he an illusion?

I don't see an issue. The reason why I said a spell that causes damage was because most of those produce a ray or missle that would pass through the illusion (like a sword would) and thus reveal that it is an illusion.

IceBear
 

IceBear said:


Well, what happens when you hit someone with one of those spells anyway? Oh, he stopped moving. Now did I really hold him or is he pretending to be held? Oh he's still moving, did he make his save, is he immune to hold spells, spell resistance, or is he an illusion?

I don't see an issue. The reason why I said a spell that causes damage was because most of those produce a ray or missle that would pass through the illusion (like a sword would) and thus reveal that it is an illusion.

IceBear

You cast a targeted spell on someone, you automatically know if they made their save or not, and they automatically know that someone tried to affect them with magic, even if the spell has not physical effect. (PHB, page 150, Succeeding at a Saving Throw.)
 
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Caliban said:


You cast a targeted spell on someone, you automatically know if they made their save or not, and they automatically know that someone tried to affect them with magic, even if the spell has not physical effect. (PHB, page 150, Succeeding at a Saving Throw.)

Wow! What a stupid rule. I can understand the person being affected by the spell realizing he threw off the effects of a spell but I don't know how a spellcaster would know it made the save or not. You can see that I need to re-read the spellcasting section, huh? :D

There goes a staple of several fantasy novels I've read - pretending to be charmed to sucker the spellcaster.

I'm Rule 0ing that one.

BTW - for the record, I did say that my opinion had no basis in the rules. By the rules Hyper is right. I'm just running it the way my group likes it.

IceBear
 
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Hypersmurf said:


A 20 is a critical threat... shouldn't they roll to confirm?

Why don't rogues get sneak attack damage?

What about the miss chance for Displacement?

[shakes head] Targetted spells don't need attack rolls, and they don't behave like spells that require attack rolls.

-Hyp.

Well you can read that it its the caster no matter what.
From SRD Spell Magic Missile

The missile strikes unerringly, even if the target is in melee or has anything less than total cover or concealment.

Does the Taget have Total cover? "No" Does the target have Total Concealment? "No"

It bypasses the Mirror Image and hits the target character and does damage.
 
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Does the Taget have Total cover? "No" Does the target have Total Concealment? "No"

It bypasses the Mirror Image and hits the target character and does damage.

That's the same as the cast-the-spell-on-the-leader example in the PHB, though. If you don't know which one he is, you can't target him automatically - you need to pick him out of the crowd and risk being wrong.

After all, it could really be the mage, and four henchmen with potions of Change Self. You can't cast your magic missile at "the real mage" and trust the spell to figure it out - you have to make a decision on your target or targets. It will strike unerringly... if you pick a valid target.

If it's the mage, three henchmen, and a cardboard cutout, and you launch your missiles at the cardboard cutout, the spell simply won't have the effect you hoped.

-Hyp.
 

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