Morkus from Orkus
Tell me then, what meaning you think the failure had.
Scroll up. It's there in a few different posts now.
Lack of change does not remove meaning from the situation, but lack of change PER SE does not add meaning.
Cool beans. Added meaning is not a requirement. Only that there be meaning.
I’m saying that failing to achieve your goal PER SE is not a meaningful consequence of failure. You do know that per se means “by itself”, right? In this example, failure does have a meaningful consequence - specifically, you get Spears thrown at you. Failing to get wherever you’re trying to climb BY ITSELF is not a meaningful consequence. You need ogres throwing spears to give that failure meaning.
Um, you do realize that I said that not every failure would qualify as having meaning, right? I mean if you're going to be a smart ass about it, you should probably at least know what you are talking about.