Monks are Balanced?

[Dannyalcatraz]

Which translates to a the Wizard doesn't need to prepare for the "monk." I'm not sure what is being clarified here?

That there has been no modification of the argument. The Wiz could take specific anti-Monk measures, but as long as he is prepped to take on meleers in general, and possibly ones that can easily close in a bit more particular, he's pretty much set against the Monk.

So is this another way to say the Wizard doesn't need to prepare for the "monk?"

I think that point was acknowledged in my last post.

It doesn't seem like it. Your last post, in entirety but for a "shrug", before your response to mine was:

You're assuming I actually care who would win 1v1 battle. I have no dog in this fight. I entered the thread saying this topic amuses me and the pro-Wizard side always makes the same assumptions. You've modified the argument by suggesting the Wizard doesn't even need to prepare for a Monk.

If I missed something acknowledging the point in that, apologies.

 

[Dandu]

Arrowhawk, if you took the time you spent on creating theoretical arguments and applied it to setting up a scenario where your hypothesis could be tested out, I think you would make more progress.

For example, I can tell you exactly how one of my aforementioned sorcerers would handle a monk coming up to him. The most obvious thing to do would be to teleport to a safer location or take a 5 ft step back and unleash a Solid Fog or Black Tentacles. Teleporting spells, as well as battlefield control spells, are useful in a wide variety of situations, so this is how you could deal with a monk without having specifically prepared for such an opponent.

 

[Arrowhawk]

If I missed something acknowledging the point in that, apologies.

Yes. The part where I pointed out your argument has become an observation that the Wizard doesn't even need to prepare for the Monk. You seemed to think that adding a "specifically" was a different argument. It was not.

None of the previous arguments of others suggested "the" Monk in question did not required any specific preparation.

No offense taken and apologies if that was unclear.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Yes. The part where I pointed out your argument has become an observation that the Wizard doesn't even need to prepare for the Monk. You seemed to think that adding a "specifically" was a different argument. It was not.

I think it is, but then we're more or less arguing semantics...which we don't really need to do.

 

[Empirate]

Seems like this has become another thread to just bow out of... no useful discussion possible anymore.


To point to some of the more ludicrous developments in this thread, in no particular order:

Wizards aren't ledges, and the implications of grabbing people are quite clearly defined in the grapple rules;

"no actions" includes "free actions" (unless you go by the recently popular "all isn't all" argument, that is);

all voices trying to argue against undue generalizations (most pertinently, make Monk and Wizard builds, see how they fare in actual game situations) are being blatantly ignored by their proponents' disputants;

and finally, this thread is now being trolled by people who only drop in to say how "amusing" they find the way mere mortals struggle to reach their lofty heights of clarity.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

Yes . . . amusing.

 

[Plane Sailing]

All of those are prebuffs though. You have to cast them prior to combat and they have a very short shelf life. Polymorph only last one minute per level, stoneskin lasts longer but unless it's errata'd I don't see it stopping crits. Plus, it still doesn't last all day while you wait for some random adventurers coming to attack you...just in case...and I hardly imagine a Wizard spending all his spell slots on one spell on the off chance of getting adventurers to attack him that day.
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As I stated, I HATE cheesy DM's that have all knowing NPC's that have impossible abilities that are practically unbelievable...such as giving them prescience to know exactly when they will get attacked so they can be buffed up completely as the PC's arrive...unless it's the NPC springing the attack in which case being completely buffed up makes sense.

Sorry, but are we not talking about the BBEG? What is he doing - sitting in his bedchamber until the adventurers kick the door in? Unless we are in scry-buff-teleport territory (which changes things in a lot of ways if that is a common tactic, both offensively and defensively), surely the BBEG has minions? Has a stronghold which is being assaulted?

It would seem strange to me to have a BBEG who wasn't able to obtain some warning from his protective spells, minions, servants etc - enough to (at least) cast his normal set of protective spells, and more likely investigate the situation and determine which tactic he wants to use against the intruders.

Yours questioningly,