Move Equivalent Action.

[AGGEMAM]

Aw, c'mon now.... it could happen. Especially if we have a good reason to go - like to visit a friend after we've really have a nice visit when you come to the Great Pacific Northwest - one of the greatest places on the globe!! (Note: "...one of..." - I'm not exlcuding Denmark as possibly one of the others )

I actually have been in the US before, but the nearest I came to where you live was Yellowstone National Park.

And as I said, I might actually go there next year on some work-related business, so a swing-by your place would not be impossible.

 

[AGGEMAM]

And that sounds just fine to y'all? As long as you pause in the middle, you can fit more into your 6 seconds? And it all depends on what the Orc over there decides to do?

If that sounds reasonable to you folks then I guess I'm done. I certainly wouldn't want some pretentious guy in a tiny country on the other side of the Atlantic to start ignoring me!

You forget that

a) you lower your initiative

and

b) the readied action may not be triggered at all.

 

[KarinsDad]

And that sounds just fine to y'all? As long as you pause in the middle, you can fit more into your 6 seconds? And it all depends on what the Orc over there decides to do?

No, it does not sound reasonable.

But, I tend to be clear as to whether I'm talking about how something should be and how something is.

The rule is that you cannot do it.

But, this is a prime candidate for a house rule, or even an errata.


On a different note, why is it feasible at all to:

1) Get up.
2) Move.
3) Attack.

That's 3 actions. It shouldn't be allowed at all, but is that reasonable because they put a partial charge rule in so that you could move and attack while Slowed and because they put in a rule to allow partial charges with readied actions?

 

[Shirt Guy John]

Wow, with all the bickering going on, I almost forgot the topic here (I just read through the whole thing. NOT lurking, but on a sudden interest).

I would allow it, simply for logic reasons (isn't it rule 0 to use your head or something?) It should take less time to stand up and partial charge then it does to stand up, wait, then partial charge.

((EDIT: But then again, I just saw Karen's Dad's post, and that got me to thinking. I think I've changed my mind here. The 3-actions thing is what did it.))

But then again, what do I know? I have less posts then most people, and rarely do they have "quality"

 

[0-hr]

I didn't forget and I'm willing to inflict the initiative drop on the player. But it just seems to me that if I can do this:

-Stand up
-Guess what orc might do
-Wait for orc to do it (or not)
-Notice what orc is doing
-Charge to orc and attack (if he did the right thing)

Then I should be able to do this:

-Stand up
-Wait for orc to do something
-Charge to orc and attack

The second set of actions is a subset of the first and so should be doable in less, or equal, time.

I don't like that it takes less time to do the superset of actions than it does the subset. And I don't like that is it up to the orc to control how quickly time passes for the person standing up!Anyway, I can buy that the rules say the orc controls temporal flow in this situation. Guess I'd have to rule zero the goofiness.

PS: Could you combine drawing a weapon with that partial charge (assuming your BAB is +1 or higher)?

 

[Artoomis]

Wow, with all the bickering going on, I almost forgot the topic here (I just read through the whole thing. NOT lurking, but on a sudden interest).

I would allow it, simply for logic reasons (isn't it rule 0 to use your head or something?) It should take less time to stand up and partial charge then it does to stand up, wait, then partial charge.

((EDIT: But then again, I just saw Karen's Dad's post, and that got me to thinking. I think I've changed my mind here. The 3-actions thing is what did it.))

But then again, what do I know? I have less posts then most people, and rarely do they have "quality"

If you want to allow it, that's okay. It's a House Rule, of course. Being as this is the Rules Forum, I laid out what the rule is in this case, which is, simply:

You may stand up and Ready an Action. The action you take (if your triggering condition is met) could be a partial charge. You cannot otherwise move and attack after standing. All assuming we are talking about normal actions in a non-hasted round.

Is this reasonable? Should you House Rule? That's a different discussion, as far as I am concerned.

 

[Artoomis]

I didn't forget and I'm willing to inflict the initiative drop on the player. But it just seems to me that if I can do this:

-Stand up
-Guess what orc might do
-Wait for orc to do it (or not)
-Notice what orc is doing
-Charge to orc and attack (if he did the right thing)

Then I should be able to do this:

-Stand up
-Wait for orc to do something
-Charge to orc and attack

The second set of actions is a subset of the first and so should be doable in less, or equal, time.

I don't like that it takes less time to do the superset of actions than it does the subset. And I don't like that is it up to the orc to control how quickly time flows for the person standing up!

I understand where you are coming from. Don't think of these two things as taking the same amount of time. Keeping in mind that the readied action changes your initiative, what happens, in effect, is that you gain the ability to partial charge if you take a small bit a time to get ready. If you don't, then you are trying to do too much in too short a time and you can't get it done.

Okay, I admit that's a weak justification for the rules and has holes like swiss cheese. It's just a way to help to help you find some logic in a not-really logical rule.

The bottom line is that we play a rules-based role-playing game. The partial charge only upon a readied-action (in this case) is one of the rules. Live with it, or make a House Rule - in which case, let's take this discussion to the House Rules Forum.

 

[Lord Ben]

Bonedagger, say welcome to the ignore list, which has the exclusive members of:

Magus_Jerel and Bonedagger.

Goodbye.

Is Magus Jerel that goober who says Mages can cast 2 spells in a round without haste by the rules because a partial action can be a move action then LOGICALLY a move action can be a partial action?

 

[Artoomis]

What a boob.

No personal attacks like this, please (even though this is a really mild one, I admit).

Trust me, merely the rest of your post made your point quite well. No need to get personal

Thanks

 

[Lord Ben]

Sorry, different way of talking I guess. In my lingo it's just another word for silly person. "Don't be a boob" = "Don't be silly" where I come from.