Munskins/Power gaming - Two weapon fighting feat with two bastard sword

FireLance · Apr 27, 2005

Bah, take two Sun Blades, and you won't have to bother with Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword or Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting. Replace them with Weapon Focus (Shortsword) and Weapon Specialization (Shortsword) instead.

MoonZar · Apr 27, 2005

FireLance said:
Bah, take two Sun Blades, and you won't have to bother with Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword or Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting. Replace them with Weapon Focus (Shortsword) and Weapon Specialization (Shortsword) instead.

what is a sunblade ? The only sunblade i know this a powerful sword who is doing sunburst when your turn it over your head.

Where is the reference about this ? This seem very weird that a bastard sword can be considered light...

MoonZar · Apr 27, 2005

Rystil Arden said:
You want to see a real "Munskin?" Wait until you have to deal with a level 7 Goliath Psychic Warrior with Monkey-Grip. These lunatics can dual wield Huge Greatswords for 6d6 base damage (albeit at the same large attack penalty as the above character) or just two-hand an 8d6 base damage Gargantuan Greatsword...

btw i really hate the goliath, this another race who exist only for doing more damage... that it...

MoonZar · Apr 27, 2005

Hammerhead said:
A guy who uses two bastard swords is somehow MUNCHKIN? Wow. It's a really suboptimal build. The three or four feats you put into this could be put into Power Attack, Cleave, etc. for your Greatsword.

2d6+14>2d10+6 (assuming Greatsword Guy PAs for 4, and each fighter has an 18 Str. This doesn't even consider all the feats the Two-Weapon Wielder has sunk) And that's just a basic fighter build.

Let me ask you this? Could you see someone use two Katanas at the same time?

I'm studying martial art with japanese sword (Kendo, Kenjutsu) and i dont think this really possible with full lenght katana. The only style that still exist with two japanese sword that i know is the traditionnal style with a katana and a wakizachi.

You should take in mind that katana came in different lenght, this could maybe possible if you are using two katana of smaller size.

Personnaly i dont see how we can use two bastard or two full lenght katana, of course we are not hero and as people said comparing reallity and fantasy can give big headake.

Ravellion · Apr 27, 2005

Sun Blade: This sword is the size of a bastard sword. However, a sun blade is wielded as if it were a short sword with respect to weight and ease of use. (In other words, the weapon appears to all viewers to be a bastard sword, and deals bastard sword damage, but the wielder feels and reacts as if the weapon were a short sword.) Any individual able to use either a bastard sword or a short sword with proficiency is proficient in the use of a sun blade. Likewise, Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization in short sword and bastard sword apply equally, but the benefits of those feats do not stack.
In normal combat, the glowing golden blade of the weapon is equal to a +2 bastard sword. Against evil creatures, its enhancement bonus is +4. Against Negative Energy Plane creatures or undead creatures, the sword deals double damage (and x3 on a critical hit instead of the usual x2).
The blade also has a special sunlight power. Once per day, the wielder can swing the blade vigorously above her head while speaking a command word. The sunblade then sheds a bright yellow radiance that is like full daylight. The radiance begins shining in a 10-foot radius around the sword wielder and extends outward at 5 feet per round for 10 rounds thereafter, to create a globe of light with a 60-foot radius. When the wielder stops swinging, the radiance fades to a dim glow that persists for another minute before disappearing entirely. All sun blades are of good alignment, and any evil creature attempting to wield one gains one negative level. The negative level remains as long as the sword is in hand and disappears when the sword is no longer wielded. This negative level never results in actual level loss, but it cannot be overcome in any way (including restoration spells) while the sword is wielded.
Moderate evocation; CL 10th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, daylight, creator must be good; Price 50,335 gp; Cost 25,335 gp + 2,000 XP.

It's in the DMG.

Aust Diamondew · Apr 27, 2005

He's not power gaming, he might think he is but he really isn't. Using 2 short swords is far more efficient. Just power attack for 2 and you average the same damage a bastard sword with out having to waste a feat on a proficieny (by taking power attack you can then take cleave and great cleave). 2 short swords unlike using long sword and short sword allows you to take weapon focus, weapon specialization, improved crit. etc with out having to invest 2 feats for both weapons.

On the other hand a guy wielding a great sword is probably the most efficient killing machine.

MoonZar · Apr 27, 2005

Ravellion said:
Sun Blade: This sword is the size of a bastard sword. However, a sun blade is wielded as if it were a short sword with respect to weight and ease of use. (In other words, the weapon appears to all viewers to be a bastard sword, and deals bastard sword damage, but the wielder feels and reacts as if the weapon were a short sword.) Any individual able to use either a bastard sword or a short sword with proficiency is proficient in the use of a sun blade. Likewise, Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization in short sword and bastard sword apply equally, but the benefits of those feats do not stack.
In normal combat, the glowing golden blade of the weapon is equal to a +2 bastard sword. Against evil creatures, its enhancement bonus is +4. Against Negative Energy Plane creatures or undead creatures, the sword deals double damage (and x3 on a critical hit instead of the usual x2).
The blade also has a special sunlight power. Once per day, the wielder can swing the blade vigorously above her head while speaking a command word. The sunblade then sheds a bright yellow radiance that is like full daylight. The radiance begins shining in a 10-foot radius around the sword wielder and extends outward at 5 feet per round for 10 rounds thereafter, to create a globe of light with a 60-foot radius. When the wielder stops swinging, the radiance fades to a dim glow that persists for another minute before disappearing entirely. All sun blades are of good alignment, and any evil creature attempting to wield one gains one negative level. The negative level remains as long as the sword is in hand and disappears when the sword is no longer wielded. This negative level never results in actual level loss, but it cannot be overcome in any way (including restoration spells) while the sword is wielded.
Moderate evocation; CL 10th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, daylight, creator must be good; Price 50,335 gp; Cost 25,335 gp + 2,000 XP.

It's in the DMG.

Okay i didn't know this was considered a short sword, BTW this a very strong item, i don't expect my players to build a character while expecting to have this.

Someone say to use TWO sun blade, lol this should be almost impossible in a balanced campaign to have two of these beauty.