My bands song: Against The Giants (A work in Progress)

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Against The Giants

It's a work in progress for our newly developed instrumental groove band, this was recorded during one of several rehearsals. Please go easy on me, this still needs a lot of water and attention.

I will post updates of the song as it develops.

*hides under table*
 

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kinda long. which I suppose happens in jam/instru song

drums are rather busy, compared to the keys

keys are a bit quiet.

overall, reminds me of elevator or on-hold music.

drum fills and change-ups didn't seem to match what the keys were doing. I guess I expect a fill or change-up at a transition in the song, and I felt like they just happened when the drummer got bored, rather than as a build up to the keys changing to a new section or key.

For a song named after a D&D adventure, one with the implication of a large ponderous foe, this is too light and airy. Deeper horns some sonderous kettle drums, etc. the easy fix is to rename the song.
 


Personal critiques are always going to be plentiful, so to keep that tradition here is mine:

Could use a base filler, maybe a base cello. you could go blues organ with that as well with a good slide guitar action, but I would stick with the jazz side of it. liven the keys and fade back on the drums. Can you find a good congo player for that piece?

Scott-peace out baby! It allll copacetic.-DeWar
 
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Okay, you all knew the producer would get around to this one eventually...

First off, welcome to ENWorld, for a first post you sure didn't fool around did ya? Please keep in mind that I am an independent music producer, audio engineer, drummer, percussionist, vocalist and lyricist; my opinion doesn't matter anymore than anyone elses, but at least it comes from a point of having been there before.

So on to the critique:
You obviously have worked on this quite a bit, the parts show some cohesiveness that is usually unheard of in a raw take, though there is still a fair amount of work you could do. If I were producing, I would use this as a guide tape for the "real" recording.

At 4:25 and 6:30 (the break outs/downs) the bass line is a little wonky. I'm not sure if the player got lost, got tired or missed but it was evident to my ear. I'm pretty sure I know what he wanted to do, but he missed. If I had a full studio, I would just punch it in instead of re-recording the whole thing, if you have that capability (and cakewalk/pro tools does) I would do so.

The drummer is WAY too busy. And remember, I'm a drummer saying this. The part is overly complex in relation to the rest of the instruments. The groove is solid, but with a song this long, it's apparent that he/she gets tired about 2/3rds of the way through and it loosens up considerably. It would be better to come up with a solid tight groove that holds the song together and then add a percussion line over the top of it. Most of the disjointed fills could be accomplished with a set of timbales much more effectively, and even though I'm gonna hear the comparison, using a wood block or a cowbell to mark the time would serve to tighten up the entire group.

The keys sound good, but are too under-powered. Probably sounds hotter live than recorded, but whoever the engineer is (you are multi-tracking right?) should have their hands slapped. If this is being tapped "studio live", please re-consider and track the parts. It may feel alien the first couple times you do it, but in the end, the polish is worth the trouble, also, a click track is not your enemy, it's your friend.

For a jazz/fusion combo the song itself is surprisingly hummable. Though every musician, sans keys tends to want to gallop off an their own (ie traditional jazz over playing) the group as a whole manages to keep it together so that someone having heard it for the first time could get it stuck in their head and start humming it for the rest of the day. Not an easy task for a J/F tune, so nicely done there.

Overall, you have a very solid number, the name doesn't elicit the visuals the song's title is after, but names can be altered and the piece is too good to scrap over a naming convention. Though as stated above a few heavier sounding key sounds overlaid in disharmonious minors during the break might actually tie both the name and the music together. (the bass not being the instrument to do it if that was what he/she was trying to accomplish.) I'd love to hear this when it's "done" and then again after it's been post-produced.
 


Thanks for the reply guys! I appreciate and welcome all the constructed criticism. :p

A little background on the song.

It was recorded live (H4N) in our studio several months ago with just Keys, Bass, & Drums. We maybe played the song twice before I captured this recording (we record all of our rehearsals at 16bit @ 48khz). It's more or less an "Idea".

The name came about after hearing the big organ sound (great organ players are considered "Giants") that was produced by our keyboardist and the comment was a play on words. We now have a guitar player who is has been providing another element to the track (Melody & Lead). We're working on building the intensity (dynamics) to three climax's (poly-orgasmic) and throwing a different change in there than what we currently have.

A quick question: is the keyboardist playing 2 keyboards , one with each hand?

He's just playing one keyboard (split patches).
 
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