the Jester
Legend
Why would you continue to play a game you likened to dog crap? Seems like your endurance was self inflicted.
Because that's what friends do fo each other.
Nope. What friends do for each other is not expect the other guy to do unpleasant things in order to stay friends. Put another way, I have tons of gamer friends who play games I don't really care for, and which I don't participate in. Does that make us not-friends-anymore? Does it harm our friendship in any way at all? Nope. At least for my friends- and granted, I'm in my early 40s, so maybe it's a matter of age- we can maintain our relationships without forcing ourselves into activities we dislike. I decline many opportunities to go out to the movies with my friends, too, and that doesn't hurt our relationships, either.
Sorry, forgot who I was speaking to.
Casting understated, by-implication aspersions on another poster doesn't strengthen your case.
XunValdorl_of_Kilsek said:Do you actually live in the real world, or do you live in a fantasy world? Every edition made comes at the expense of others. Let's not try and paint the picture with happy colours. 4th edition came at the cost of 3rd edition fan's happiness. The game was so radically different that half the fanbase left. Same goes with 4th edition Forgotten Realms. No edition can please everybody and since a playtest has been done, people have outlined what they want and what they don't want. The designers will have to decide what they are going to do and who they are going to make happy and who is going to be unhappy. A good portion of the fanbase has already stated they don't like damage on a miss and the designers know this, if they leave it in anyway then they have chosen the happiness of those who like it at the expense of those who don't. It's not rocket science.
Nobody is arguing with the notion that not everyone will be happy. I mean, if something like damage on a miss is a dealbreaker for even one RPG player out there- and obviously it is- I am sure there are equally small, niggling bits of mechanics that will offend SOMEONE. I'm sure the skill system, whatever it looks like, will piss off someone or other.
What the majority seem to be arguing in this thread is that you, personally, seem to be saying that it's "your turn" to like the game; but that the rest of us disagree. We don't get to take turns having our playstyle and mechanical choices inserted into the edition du jour. Instead, we take what we're given and either like it (and play the game) or not (and don't).
Of course, there is the third choice- play a game you dislike- but that, frankly, is making the choice to be unhappy with your leisure activities. If that's your choice, that's fine, but I have a hard time fathoming how any friends worth the name could demand you sacrifice your happiness in order to stay friends. If they do- they aren't really friends in the first place.
If the REAL issue is having a gaming group with compatible tastes, seek that out. There is a gamers seeking gamers board on this very website. There are plenty of others. If you have a FLGS, you can recruit there. Hell, I've recruited gamers from the theater before a movie started before. If you can't find anyone with whom you share gaming taste, you can try to recruit new gamers to the fold, to find an online or play-by-mail game- there are tons of options other than playing with dog poop because that's what your friends do. I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but if you make the choice to play a game that you find that distasteful, all I can do is suggest alternatives. The rest is up to you. If you stubbornly insist that you MUST play a game you detest with your current group of friends, fine- that's your choice. But if you won't do anything to fix the problem, I don't know what to tell you- and bitching on a message board is not going to fix the game you are playing with your friends.