D&D 5E (2024) New leak looks real bad

[Minigiant]

The guy who broke the news about OGL 1.1 has confirmed it but go off I guess

Fake or Not, a price without a product is useless information.

As a DM,there are tools and content I would gladly pay $30/month for. I don't think that's what WOTC is offering but to dismiss something just because it is $30 a month is a level of ridiculousness I feared D&D would get to.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

How convinient. A leak showing some minor potential controversies allowing for distracting away from the brutal crushing of open source, and blatant third party IP wrecking/stealing, lies and broken promisses.

Because WotC has been the masters of clever planning up until now?

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

As a DM,there are tools and content I would gladly pay $30/month for. I don't think that's what WOTC is offering but to dismiss something just because it is $30 a month is a level of ridiculousness I feared D&D would get to.

Out of curiosity, what would those tools and content be? That's about a hardcover RPG book off Amazon once a month, or a bunch of PDFs from DriveThruRPG or DMs Guild. That's a pretty high bar for me, since after a certain point, as an active DM (as opposed to a collector or a reader), there's only so much DM stuff I can actually use. (That's my metric for how I spend my gaming money.)

 

[ValamirCleaver]

Is Wizbro’s leadership nuts?!

No wonder they’re using a smokescreen of false claims of trying to prevent NFTs, blockchains, homophobia, racism, & whatever other -isms & -phobias as justifications to go back on their word by breaking the terms of their own license and revoking the OGL 1.0a. Their claims of trying to foster an aura of inclusiveness are just false platitudes. The OGL never allowed for any use of their IP in any way, shape or form with or without any of the above things.

With OGL 1.0a still in effect there no way this plan would have any hope to be successful, someone would just clone 5e/D&D1 & Wizbro would lose a significant amount of their market like with 4e, the GSL & PFRPG 1e. That’s why they want to kill OGL 1.0a & either cut out all the 3PPs or bring them to heel.

Are there even any MMORPGs that charge anything close to that? How many people do they realistically think are going to be willing to pay $30/month, that’s $360/year, for a not quite MMO?

Do they have any idea that the strength of TTRPGs are that they are only limited by one’s imagination? With this not quite MMO is it going to be that if the developers & programmers didn’t think if it your character can’t do it?

I hope the mass cancellations of D&D Beyond subscriptions continue, Hasbro’s stocks tank & that the upper management of Hasbro are thrown out into the street for trying to destroy the TTRPG industry in their pursuit of filthy lucre.

 

[Enrahim2]

Because WotC has been the masters of clever planning up until now?

Oh no! I really didn't mean tho imply wizards as a company intentionally pushed for the leak. I just suspect they might have gotten lucky.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

If I know anything I know that monsters run by AI DMs will have twenty fingers on each hand.

Ironically, if they made combined their encounter builder with a Choose Your Own Adventure/Fighting Fantasy set-up, that would work. It wouldn't be infinitely replayable and thus not worth an ongoing subscription, but it would make a good one-time purchase on D&D Beyond.

But AI in 2023 is nowhere near ready even to run a pre-written adventure. I've tried RPG experiences with most of the ones floating around out there, and they fall apart pretty quickly when faced with someone actually trying to play a game.

 

[Minigiant]

Out of curiosity, what would those tools and content be? That's about a hardcover RPG book off Amazon once a month, or a bunch of PDFs from DriveThruRPG or DMs Guild. That's a pretty high bar for me, since after a certain point, as an active DM (as opposed to a collector or a reader), there's only so much DM stuff I can actually use. (That's my metric for how I spend my gaming money.)

A detailed setting builder with integrated encounter tables with level settings, civilization and settlement tools creation tools,. shopping tools, NPC personality matrixes, and dungeon designers with simulated and logical treasure placement.

Basically a setting creation tool with all the DM mechanics attached to it.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Speaking of pipe dreams... You don't get 30 dollar per month even from most DMs...
I spend a lot compared to my peers, maybe 20 dollar per month... They spend about 0...

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

A detailed setting builder with integrated encounter tables with level settings, civilization and settlement tools creation tools,. shopping tools, NPC personality matrixes, and dungeon designers with simulated and logical treasure placement.

Basically a setting creation tool with all the DM mechanics attached to it.

So World Anvil plus built-in tools?

World Anvil's top subscription is $27/month, although I suspect a lot of it would be wasted on a lot of people. (I'm not sure what the ability to publish unlimited articles means -- are they trying to sell this subscription to ttrp bloggers?)

Their next level down, which looks like the one aimed at GMs, is $12/month.

I'd need to see what the theoretical tools looked like before saying they could close the remaining $18/month gap, but I can certainly see value in what you'd want added.

 

[Mistwell]

Anyone who pays any kind of monthly fee to play any RPG is a sucker in my book.

Our DM pays a monthly fee to share out all the DNDBeyond books he's purchased (which is all of them with the Legendary purchase he made) and that gives nearly 30 people all the books on DNDBeyond. Total bargain, and not a suckers bet at all.