New TEEN TITANS and JUSTICE LEAGUE (w/ Spoilers)

Villano said:
Don't forget Whoopie Goldberg. She came in part way through the series. Even though she wasn't a member of the crew, she was in a lot of episodes.

They've also been decent about having actors of different ethnicities in guest roles as captains of other ships (ie, another starship captain who happens to be a black woman). The only complaint I've got about it is that if the captain happens to be a minority and human, they're not going to be evil. If it's an old white guy, he could well be behind all the bad stuff, but if that other starship captain is black, man, ain't no way he's evil. He could be on the wrong side of a conflict, but he'll have some "Oh, I can see his point of view" thing going on to make sure that he isn't evil.

I understand the desire not to perpetuate racist stereotypes, and I approve of it, but I also think that I'm ready for a good intelligent african-american villain -- not a misunderstood tragic hero or a violent thug. A good quality villain. Like Anthony Hopkins' role in "Silence of the Lambs" (purposely not mentioning the sequel).

That's a far-ranging side-note, though. Sorry if I derailed. :)

I have to disagree with certain parts of what you said. I think you're reading too much into GL's green eyes. A number of white heroes have glowing eyes or fiery hair or such things.

Hey, I'm possibly in the weird white-guy boat, but I was shocked to see J'onn shift into a white guy. Since he's being voiced by Carl Lumbly, I always assumed that J'onn would morph into a black guy instead. And I'd also considered him part of the ethnic diversity of the cast. Yeah, he looks different, he's a fantastic character (um, in my opinion, just 'cause I like him). I've always been impressed by his depth and how well he manages to portray a strongly principled outsider looking in at society -- a role that I thought Lumbly did extremely well.

But maybe this plays into the "Only allowed if they look different" rule. I think that role, played by someone drawn as a human black guy, would play into too many "Oh, they're trying to be socially conscious, groan" worries, but having him as an alien and voiced by an african-american man lets them work with it more.

Again, possibly just me.

To a certain degree, Marvel & DC will be "damned if they do, damned if they don't" with black characters. If they create a hero who likes rap and basketball, they are accussed of racist stereotyping. If they do a comic about a guy from the suburbs who's a nerd, they are accused of creating a white character and calling him black.

Yep. The solution is to create an actual character instead of basing their character choices on focus group decisions. Create an actual character, and people might eventually say, "I didn't like him/her," because nobody is liked by everybody, but only a small minority are going to say "I thought this was racist," and these are the same people who are going to say that "Lion King" was racist because Mufasa dies and two of the hyenas are voiced by non-white people.

Was anything said in the episode they went back to WW2? If there wasn't, that would be strange. Of course, it was strange that they did a WW2 episode without any direct Nazi references.

There was, but you had to be paying close attention. When GL joins up with the Dirty-Dozen-esque team of military guys, one of 'em says something like, "Where'd you learn to handle a gun like that," and GL says, "U.S. Marines". The guy snickers and says something like, "Yeah, right, pal," a veiled reference to the fact that in WW2, John would likely have not been let in.

That's about as far as they go with it -- but it is there if you're paying attention.
 

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I liked this ep but I REALLY want to see Wake the Dead. Grundy and Birdnose, together again!

Also Teen Titan wise, I wanna see the Fratured one. Plus the resolution to this season. (Though Betrayal I felt ROCKED even if the tone at first was a little off...)
 


Well if you mean "For the Man that Has Everything" I think it's only a loose adaptation.

Even so, should be good. We'll see tonight.

Toonami with JLU and TT is far better than weekday stuff. :p
 

Nightfall said:
Well if you mean "For the Man that Has Everything" I think it's only a loose adaptation.

Even so, should be good. We'll see tonight.

Toonami with JLU and TT is far better than weekday stuff. :p

It was a good and faithful adaptation to the JL cartoon world and man o man there were like three p o heros at the end of the cartoon. It's fun watching Superman pop open the can of whip.. on a villian.
:eek:
 

Looks like my theory [or was it someone else's theory?] of their being a new intro/opening for each ep (not unlike how each ish of a comic has a different cover) proved correct!

Tonight's ep, "For the Man Who Has Everything," was an adaptation of an Alan Moore story which appeared in Superman Annual #11 (1985). My one complaint was that they didn't show Mongul's fantasy (they did in the comic -- they showed him sitting atop a throne, with [iirc] the broken bodies of the entire JL at his feet, and all the races of the Universe calling his name.

And we got to "see" the Invisible Jet!

Comic Geek Tidbit -- Kal-El's utterance of "Rao, help me," (or words to that effect) refers to Rao, greatest of all the ancient Kryptonian gods, who had kindled their red sun. At one point in Krypton's history, Rao was so revered that anyone born with red hair was made an officer in their military upon coming of age.
 



I thought tonight's ep had a solid concept (of course it did, look at the source), marred by a mediocre execution. Spoilers below, for those who want to skip, but I'm not going to black out my whole post. :)

I really liked the first half. Thought it had potential to be one of the best episodes to date. But the second half let me down on several levels.

One: I greatly dislike the fact that, after he was awakened, Supes still needed help to beat Mongul. I thought it rather weakened the whole ep, in terms of both plot and emotional satisfaction for the viewer.

Two: They really missed an opportunity for using the Black Mercy. They should never have shown WW throwing it at Mongul. Rather, we should see WW and Bats attack him as he's about to kill Supes. He fights back, beats them to a pulp, and stands victorious over the fallen superheroes. Only then does perspective change, and the viewer discover that when WW and Bats attacked, they hit Mongul with the flower, and everything after that was him seeing his fantasy, seeing how he wanted the fight to turn out. That would have been a much more interesting way of showing essentially the same events, and would even have earned them points back on problem # 1, above.

Three: Not the writers' fault, but did it seem to anyone else like the commercial breaks were misplaced?

Four: The way in which Batman talked Superman out of the dream, and then WW talked Bats out, just rang false to me for some reason. Not entirely sure how they I think they should have done it, honestly, but it felt too easy. (Maybe just a result of the fact that they aren't allowed to tell two-part stories anymore...)
 

Mouseferatu said:
Three: Not the writers' fault, but did it seem to anyone else like the commercial breaks were misplaced?

I noticed that too. And I pretty much agree with your other points. I still greatly enjoyed the episode, though, although it was incredibly stupid for Batman to physically confront Mongul by jumping on his back. Bats is smarter than that.

And it was odd for Kal-El's wife to have Lana Lang's looks, yet Lois Lane's voice. ;) But it was a nice touch to have Dana Delany in this role.
 

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