D&D General Nolzur creates inclusive miniatures, people can't handle it.

[the Jester]

Out of curiosity - why? Why can't it be a wheelchair? Why would magical spiderlegs be better than magical wheels?

Wheels are terrible on anything but flat, even terrain. Rubble, stairs, a rope bridge, a steep slope, etc- adventure sites often involve terrain that makes a wheel chair seem pretty useless.

I'd ask those that are uncomfortable with this mini to flip the script and see if they can be creative enough to find a place for an NPC cleric like this in their setting. Why would a cleric not heal their own legs? How would a cleric in a wheelchair operate? How would you make it fit into your setting.

Sure, such a cleric (or wizard, or whatever) could exist, but it doesn't seem like the kind of character who would casually go into a dungeon.

As a reminder, we saw Bran in a wheelchair in GoT, right? There were priests in that setting that raised the dead - but Bran was in a wheelchair. And he was a pretty powerful magical being, in the end, and stayed in his chair.

GoT didn't ever show us any magical healing outside of resurrection that I can recall.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

Yes, think of the many societal problems that have been solved by just quietly saying nothing.

You have misunderstood my post by a wide margin.

 

[Frozen_Heart]

You definitely did (though you're not the first person in this thread to do so).

To expound, I'm saying that any objection to the fantasy wheelchair is presumed to be hateful and anti-inclusive.

Thing is, suggesting wheelchairs with legs or treads is meant to be inclusive, as it's giving people additional tools to use for a character who uses a wheelchair.

But instead it's taken as offensive and a suggestion that I want to ban those characters.

 

[Oofta]

I have not given much thought to wheelchairs but would like some human diversity!

I enjoy playing heavier characters and you can’t get a fat priest very readily.

My good cleric resents that! And my evil barbarian from 1e days does too! More variety, not less…

Variety is not signaling. It’s more options. Same goes for this…why do I care if there is more of this?

If one of my kids could not walk and wanted to play with a representative mini, I can’t see saying ‘no.’

I think I've found like two minis for overweight people to paint over the years. Always NPCs of course.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Agree 100%. If I see an injustice, I step in and do something about it right then and there. What I don't do is what you did here.

Doing the right thing would be to respond to the post that you screen grabbed. Dragging that screen post here is the 'outrage posting' I was talking about. It feels like it's about getting attention. When I say doing it quietly, I don't mean 'do nothing about it'. I mean doing something about it, but not in a way that says 'everybody, look at me doing a good thing'.

I did call them out directly. And as I also said, making these comments here isn’t just confronting them, it’s to show support to people they are hurting. Which members here are.

Please don’t make assumptions about my motives and what I did or didn’t do. And don’t tell me what the “right” thing to do is.

 

[Sacrosanct]

You definitely did (though you're not the first person in this thread to do so).

To expound, I'm saying that any objection to the fantasy wheelchair is presumed to be hateful and anti-inclusive.

In general? No. The way these folks responded? Sure comes across that way.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

Not calling out bad behavior is how bad behavior gets normalized. Letting toxic opinions dominate the the discourse turns the discourse toxic. Sitting in comfortable silence with the moral high ground is easy when you're not the target, and does nothing to help those who are.

Calling out bad behaviour should be the norm. My post didn't get this point across very well. My objection here is to the nature of this post. There is nothing about that post that is calling out the bad behaviour. It's reporting the bad behaviour to an echo chamber instead of directly interacting with the problem. Why? Just take care of it then and there and move on.

Posts like this aren't clickbait or wildly exaggerated hot takes. Just because those things do exist doesn't mean it's always a bad idea to call out bad actors. Indeed, they're necessary if we're to establish what the community standards are. Holding the line against the jerks and a-holes is a constant battle that is never won, only carried for another day.

See above.

 

[Alzrius]

In general? No. The way these folks responded? Sure comes across that way.

I disagree about the "in general" part.

 

[Incenjucar]

The point of using semi-realistic wheelchairs is that this is what people actually have. It lets them be personally and concretely included without caveat or obfuscation.

You can certainly have a bunch of magitech in addition, like spider walkers or whatever, just like you can bring back elven cybernetics, but this is about giving people more direct representation rather than partial representation.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

I did call them out directly.

Great!

And as I also said, making these comments here isn’t just confronting them, it’s to show support to people they are hurting. Which members here are.

This I agree with less. I don't think people need self-appointed nursemaids/saviours.

Please don’t make assumptions about my motives and what I did or didn’t do. And don’t tell me what the “right” thing to do is.

Easy there. I commented on your post/actions as presented (thank you for filling in more details), not on you as a person.

I always enjoy your posts and respect your opinions. There is nothing personal here!