D&D General Nolzur creates inclusive miniatures, people can't handle it.

[Bagpuss]

Should have been more magical, like a hover chair or a chariot pulled by Imps or Mephits or the chair has giant chicken legs like Baba Yaga's hut.

I think the issue is for some folks the chair itself is part how they see themselves so if you go magical like, a hover/spider chair then it isn't how they see themselves represented.

Personally I find the idea of self insert characters weird anyway. The reason I roleplay is to play someone different than myself.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Personally I find the idea of self insert characters weird anyway. The reason I roleplay is to play someone different than myself.

Me too, but I also know people who want some aspect of themselves represented. It's not for you or me to throw up obstacles to how they want to play in this case.

 

[BookTenTiger]

I think the issue is for some folks the chair itself is part how they see themselves so if you go magical like, a hover/spider chair then it isn't how they see themselves represented.

Personally I find the idea of self insert characters weird anyway. The reason I roleplay is to play someone different than myself.

When we are talking about the context of able-bodiedness, the characters we play are usually similar to ourselves, in that they can walk, climb, and do other things available to able-bodied people. Someone with a disability may want the same privilege of being represented in the game.

 

[Bagpuss]

When we are talking about the context of able-bodiedness, the characters we play are usually similar to ourselves, in that they can walk, climb, and do other things available to able-bodied people. Someone with a disability may want the same privilege of being represented in the game.

Which was my point about it having to be a wheelchair and not something too fanciful, otherwise it isn't really representation. It's why they introduced a chair option in Cyberpunk Red, despite the fact cybernetic limbs were invented in the game specifically to remove disabilities.

It's not really a privilege, if anyone wants to create a self insert character they can, just saying it seems very limiting considering how many options are available in roleplaying.

 

[Zardnaar]

I have had more than one player ask for their character to be blind to capture certain character concepts (a blind samurai and a blind seer), and in an older game we had a player who rolled a really low Str and Con, and wanted to play a feeble gnome caster who could barely walk, and sat in a party member's backpack, launching spells (like how Yoda got piggyback rides from Luke on Dagobah).

Regarding wheelchairs and ramps in dungeons, I remember an argument about Tomb of Annihilation having ramps that were "wheelchair-friendly" (some didn't like that) and one of the defenses of that design being that ramps could actually be smart construction for a dungeon, allowing for wheeled carts to aid in the removal of mining rubble and importing lumber and other materials. It doesn't have to be a mining cart on rails like many mines may have.

I think the problem is the game doesn't really have rules for it eg you don't really get permanently injured.

If you voluntarily become blind you've intentionally created a bad character in a team based game.

If you ignore the mechanical effects of being blind (or whatever) there's not really any point in choosing to be blind.

I've had players deliberately do stupid things to the point 3/6 got booted and the campaign ended and we added a houserule along the lines of don't deliberately create bad characters.

They were doing stuff like nothing higher than a 12 in prime ability scores if not a 8 or 10 and deliberately playing CN disruptive idiots.

So deliberately picking a blind fighter after that would be seen as trolling. This was 2015. If you got blinded in game that's different.

In game terns you're going to be at disadvantage on all your attack rolls and you voluntarily chose to do it.

 

[Maxperson]

Another thing that bothers me about this discussion are the comments around "Wheelchairs are stupid, because how are you gonna climb cliffs, or do rappelling, swim underwater, or trudge through knee-deep mud and muck, or climb 10000 stairs!?"

Cuz no one bats an eye at this guy in your party. Who also can't do any of those things without assistance. Heck, I'm almost 50 and my knees won't allow me to do any of those things either, and I'm in pretty decent shape otherwise. We're willing to completely ignore stuff like age, or body weight, or health, or pooping in a game, but suddenly a wheelchair and we're all "Realism!"

You are not an adventurer who walks more steps in a day than most people on health kicks do in a week or two. There are 50 and even 80 year olds who run marathons. Those are the people in the kind of shape that adventurers are in.

There's nothing wrong with wheelchairs in game running into reasonable obstacles like mud and lots of stairs and having troubles.

 

[Voadam]

If you ignore the mechanical effects of being blind (or whatever) there's not really any point in choosing to be blind.

Sure there can be.

A blind person wanting to play a Daredevil type blind hero as their hero roleplay who is not mechanically detrimented by their blindness is perfectly valid.

There is also the blind samurai archetype.

 

[Zardnaar]

Sure there can be.

A blind person wanting to play a Daredevil type blind hero as their hero roleplay who is not mechanically detrimented by their blindness is perfectly valid.

There is also the blind samurai archetype.

So you're not really blind then.....

 

[Scott Christian]

So Nolzur came out with these miniatures, and the comments are like you expect (mostly jokes on clerics healing themselves):

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For a group that keeps harping on the importance of verisimilitude, they seem to ignore how there is a whole swath of people today (including religious people like a cleric would be) that ignore healing themselves despite medicine being available...

Besides, and more importantly, how does this hurt anyone? How does being inclusive and recognizing how anyone can be a hero in a fantasy game hurt them or their gaming? It's like cruelty is the point.

Good on Wizkids for making these.

Could you please post a link to these harmful comments? I see the one you posted, but I am curious what else was said. Thanks.

 

[Voadam]

So you're not really blind then.....

If you don't consider characters like Toph the Earthbender as blind because they are generally fully functional and not detrimented by their blindness, then there generally should be no problem.

There could still be a problem of aesthetics though if say there is no narrative earthbending type of thing available for PCs in your Call of Cthulhu campaign.