D&D (2024) Not a fan of the new Eldritch Knight

[Zardnaar]

As a general point, both valour bards and bladepact warlocks being buffed, there seems to be plenty of options for charismatic Gish (even draconic sorcerers are less bad at melee now) whist their is need for intelligent Gish that only the EK can do, with artificers not yet updated.

Melee sorcerer build we had kinda got better and worse due to lose of racial armor.
Think I can rebuild it though.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Melee sorcerer build we had kinda got better and worse due to lose of racial armor.
Think I can rebuild it though.

The draconic sorcs armour is buffed to CHA+DEX, doesn’t make it a front liner, but it’s enough not to panic if you get hemmed in.

 

[Zardnaar]

The draconic sorcs armour is buffed to CHA+DEX, doesn’t make it a front liner, but it’s enough not to panic if you get hemmed in.

It's almost on par with medium armor.

Lack of racial weapons might be the bigger thing. Mountain Dwarf or Githyanki was the go to.

I'll probably allow older stuff anyway at least short term. Atm it's other way around 2024 in 2014.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

It's almost on par with medium armor.

Lack of racial weapons might be the bigger thing. Mountain Dwarf or Githyanki was the go to.

I'll probably allow older stuff anyway at least short term. Atm it's other way around 2024 in 2014.

Well, Githyanki is technically still as MotM, since they haven't been updated. And I expect we will see an origin feat for weapons and armor proficiencies (e.g. Militia Training) added soon.

 

[Zardnaar]

Well, Githyanki is technically still as MotM, since they haven't been updated. And I expect we will see an origin feat for weapons and armor proficiencies (e.g. Militia Training) added soon.

Yeah thats what I would to.

Githyanki and Goliath have been all over the place.

 

[ECMO3]

I thought you said you played RAW? Your interpretation of what you think it means in the context is not RAW. RAW it says Wizard spells - ALL wizard spells fall into the category of "wizard spells".

Context matters for RAW. There is a difference between Intention and Meaning and the meaning is what is relevant for RAW.

I am not saying it is RAI that it applies to EK spells, I am saying it is RAW it applies to EK spells because of how the term "Wizard spell" or "Wizard Cantrip" is used elsewhere in the section.

There are a lot of places in the 2024 rules that use different wording and formatting to describe similar abilities. You simply cannot use "consistency" to infer meaning in these rules.

You are right, if I was using consistency I would say no Cantrips are usable with War Magic because the term "[class] spell" is typically used to mean a spell for a specific class that you get from a subclass and using such a naming parlance the spells granted to an Eldritch Knight count as "Fighter spells" for the Eldritch Knight.

However the wording I am talking about is specific to the Eldritch Knight subclass, not to 2024 in general.

 

[Zardnaar]

I prefer the new EK.

Old fighter was often used as the bacon in someone else's sandwich.

 

[barouqeworks]

I said several times that Eldritch Blast is not the issue, and pointed out that the characters I played did not always even have any Warlock levels, yet people keep bringing this up? The problem is tying any Cantrips you use with this to Intelligence. And Booming Blade always uses a weapon attack.

booming blade uses a weapon attack yes, it is also a wizard spell you can use from the get go from the ek spell list

You are right I could use that, but that means I need to take Pact of Blade and it means I can only use one weapon with Charisma, meanwhile with Truestrike I can use Charisma on any weapon attack, can do it without POB and can do it without even multiclassing to Warlock.

you don't need to multiclass to use booming blade, when its already on the EK spell list. sure its not a ranged attack but it is still an offensive cantrip that doesn't scale to int

IF you can use spells you got on Magic Initiate -Charisma-Wizard then I am not as upset about it at all, but most people do not interpret it this way. I posted a question here about this before I had a copy of the PHB, but after I had the wording of War Magic. Different people had different opinions, but most thought it meant spells gotten through EK subclass, the second most said any spell that uses Intelligence (not really supported in the wording IMO), a few said any spell gained from a Wizard class or EK (but a Wizard multiclass is not even possible with an Intelligence below 13). I don't think anyone was of the opinion it included all Cantrips on the Wizard spell list, regardless of how you got them. Once I got and read the PHB, the meaning seems pretty clear to me they are talking about EK Cantrips.

I wouldn't take the interpretation of rulings from a forum as gospel. but from what I see, rules as written, they said wizard cantrips and nothing stating "eldritch knight cantrips". I don't see why you would think it would limit you to the cantrips that you get from a subclass and not from the wizard spell list like it says throughout the class features

 

[FrogReaver]

Well, Githyanki is technically still as MotM, since they haven't been updated. And I expect we will see an origin feat for weapons and armor proficiencies (e.g. Militia Training) added soon.

I don’t expect armor, maybe weapons.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Context matters for RAW

No it doesn’t. Only the exact wording matters. You might use context to try and infer authorial intent: RAI.

But it doesn’t matter how YOU interpret it, since the DM is the referee and you are not the DM. Now, I can’t say for sure how your DM would interpret it, but there are a bunch of actual DMs on this thread telling you they see no reason to adjudicate “EK only”.

There is no place on the official character sheet to record how a character acquired a cantrip. If you know a cantrip you know it, the source information is discarded. Clearly it’s possible to check if it’s a wizard cantrip or not by looking at the wizard spell list, but there is no way to check how the character learned it.