D&D 4E Not going to 4e

[Turanil]

As I already said, I won't go to 4e, because:
1) It's not D&D to me, nor the game rules that fit my view of fantasy, and I already have enough rulesets for my vision of what fantasy rpgs should be.
2) I resent what I essentially see an attempt at milking my wallet on WotC part.

HOWEVER:
1) I do like other RPG genres too.
2) I still buy products (lastly the somewhat 3rd edition of Savage Worlds for only 10$).

HENCEFORTH:
1) Instead of masquerading 4e as D&D, give it another name (such as "Paragons of Power"), and give it a deliberate fantasy-ANIME flavor, with the relevant art. That game would be said to be based off D&D, but be a new game for a different genre.
2) Make that into a one or two books only (the second being a merging of DMG and MM).

AS A RESULT:
1) I could be interested in trying it.
2) I could buy the book, if only for the read.

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To me 4e looks like this:
I have an old Mercedes that runs well, despite it's not an up-to-date car. Then a car dealer proposes me a Lexus telling me that this is actually a Mercedes. Fact is, I like both Mercedes and Lexus. However, I won't buy that car and will be angry at the car dealer. As a result I am now probably looking for a BMW...

 

[Ty]

Proposed revised name for D&D 4th Edition:


Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, 3rd Edition. Ages 13+

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Proposed revised name for D&D 4th Edition:


Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, 3rd Edition. Ages 13 and below/QUOTE]


Fixed that for you.

 

[bastrak]

My players and I intend to stick with 3.5 for the foreseeable future.

WOTC IMO has done an excellent job in putting us off buying 4e. Nearly every article I read about it includes some feature I don't care for or breaks with established tradition from earlier editions.

It looks as if I'm going to be saving a lot of money from next summer as I only anticipate buying DDM once I have Elder Evils.

 

[Ty]

I hate saying this because I don't like seeing companies make bad decisions but I do maintain some level of hope/schadenfrude (sp?) that the 4th Edition will flop and they will take a much more serious look at the overall arc of the game as an integrated system between the MMORG scene and the PnP version. What do I mean?

I can log onto the Internets and get a game going with a bunch of people I either do or do not know on a lark when I have a spare couple of hours of downtime. I could also log on and game electronically with my friends without using PnP. Or, we could use the online tools to thematically enhance the PnP sessions while we drink beers and coffee so that we can get rid of the darn 4'x6' battlemat. Lastly, we could just reference a rule online by doing a Cntrl-F and lookup Grappling without undue delay and page flipping, keep track of initiative by using an electronic tool, or even keep our character sheets somewhere where the DM can access them for questions as to secret spot checks.

There are so many different ways WotC could have taken the rules, doing an integration, simplification, and expansion of their potential applicability and marketing to a broader audience that I can only shake my head at them not realizing the full potential that has been potentially wasted in their timing.

 

[The Little Raven]

What do I mean?

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20071024a

Online gaming table for use with random people or your friends, with no more 4'x6' battlemat. Character sheets can be viewed from the gaming table by the DM, as well as integrated chat systems that allow you to send messages to particular players. You can get digital copies of the books for use online, with integrated search and indexing for easy use while gaming. Dunno about tracking initiative, since it's not a game-exclusive service, so it can be used with D&D, Vampire, Warhammer, or whatever you want.

Funny how exactly what you described is exactly what they said they're doing.

 

[Ty]

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20071024a

Online gaming table for use with random people or your friends, with no more 4'x6' battlemat. Character sheets can be viewed from the gaming table by the DM, as well as integrated chat systems that allow you to send messages to particular players. You can get digital copies of the books for use online, with integrated search and indexing for easy use while gaming. Dunno about tracking initiative, since it's not a game-exclusive service, so it can be used with D&D, Vampire, Warhammer, or whatever you want.

Funny how exactly what you described is exactly what they said they're doing.

Actually, not exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about taking that step and leaping to its next logical step; online MMORG D&D based on D&D. This is a huge leap forward, IF they execute it right. Thus far, that single article is all I've seen, sadly. This is something I could get behind if it's done right. Even as it sits, it does fit some of what I am looking for but it's not 4th Edition. Incorporating the game into the online system or the online system to the source game is something that could add new players and broaden the "gaming experience." Right now, it seems more of a tool than a synergy between the online gamer and the PnP gamer.

P.S. My theory is somewhat heretical amongst the Grognard Guard.

 

[The Little Raven]

P.S. My theory is somewhat heretical amongst the Grognard Guard.

It's also not D&D. It's an MMO based on D&D, which is not the same thing.

 

[Agamon]

Alright, a thread to bookmark and bring back in a couple years.

 

[Hunter In Darkness]

Alright, a thread to bookmark and bring back in a couple years.

book mark away..unless my group falls apart in firey nuke like death I WILL BE PLAYING 3.5 DND or another system... so far 4e is only playable to me it seems with massive changes so if i can not get a 3.5 game going i'll play m&m or true 20 or grups or shadowrun...ummmm shadowrun or a diff system but it will no longer be dnd to me that style seems like it dies with 3.5