Obyriths and Far Realm

[Shade]

What 3e source are the Slaadi detailed in? Were any of the Lords statted out?

MM 3.5 for the bulk of the slaadi, with a few in the Epic-Level Handbook, one in the Fiend Folio, and another in Dragon.

Of the lords, only Baazim-Gorag has been detailed (in Dungeon, and later in Champions of Ruin).

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

MM 3.5 for the bulk of the slaadi, with a few in the Epic-Level Handbook, one in the Fiend Folio, and another in Dragon.

Of the lords, only Baazim-Gorag has been detailed (in Dungeon, and later in Champions of Ruin).

Doh, you are right. I forgot they were in the MM.

 

[Shade]

Doh, you are right. I forgot they were in the MM.

I think alot of people do, since they aren't in the SRD.

 

[Psion]

They also line up phenomenally with the Galchutt of Ptolus.

IMC, Galchutt = Far Realm Denizen = "Void Lords"

The evil side of the great wheel represents the taint left behind by the touch of the void lord. I suppose you could think of Obyrith/Qlippoth and post-void lord spontaneous life.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Why is it a big deal WD?

Because thread necromancy where a new topic of discussion or a question is raised is one thing. Bumping something for no reason is a bad precedent to set, since there are 10,000 threads that could be bumped for no reason, if that's kosher.

 

[BOZ]

i'm sorry?

 

[SkidAce]

What are the implications of using the Obyrith template for any ancient being that predates the current cosmos?

Say a madness inducing LN androgenous elder being that advises (or attempts to) nations in order to bring about the return of his ancient race?

muhahahaha...

 

[paradox42]

Presuming you mean "template" not in the game-rules sense, but rather in the generic sense of general guidelines to follow, ...there really aren't any. At least, none beyond having entities in your game that predate the current cosmos at all. Any such entity, and particularly any that induces madness in creatures that see it, would be an element of Lovecraftian horror regardless of alignment.

Though of course, the likelihood is that any LN-aligned being from such an era would not have a madness-inducing form, at least not if it was an Outsider. Since they represent beliefs on a physical level, Lawful Outsiders tend to have very set, regular forms that are easy to follow the outlines of and take in "at a glance" even if they don't remotely resemble anything from the Material Plane.

Actually I think Modrons could fit that definition quite well- they're not made from petitioners on Mechanus, are they? The vaguely-humanoid appearance of the top-tier modrons could be a pointer to them (or at least Primus) being one of the architects of the current humanoid form, rather than because they themselves originally came from spirits of humanoids.

 

[SkidAce]

interesting point about modron forms...

I was looking at the madness inducing form (even if lawful) as a "can't comprehend" what you see because it's not from our reality.

Maybe instead of madness, a dazed or confused effect....

off to the drawing boards....

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

I think alot of people do, since they aren't in the SRD.

That's true. I do tend to look at the SRD if I'm not at the gaming table since I can do searches of it.