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Krusk

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Original D&D or 4th Edition... It matters not to Krusk...

Poor, neglected, unwanted half-orc barbarians have no place in either.



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Umbran

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Piratecat said:
Hey, you edited my post! You BASTARD. Change it back!


Discussion of moderation in-thread is not acceptable, and abuse of the moderation staff won't be tolerated. Please, if you cannot keep your posts civil, hold off until you've cooled down.

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Umbran said:
His address is available in a stickied post at the top of the Meta Forum[/color]

Cool. I'll go sign him up to receive daily updates from fatbottom.girls.makethis.rockinworldgoround.
 
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thedungeondelver

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So will this thread be closed at one 12:00:00 eastern standard, GMT, or what, exactly?

I mean being as the date will have changed and all.
 

Irda Ranger

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Rel said:
I mean what's at the heart of gaming? Fun. Imagination. Stories. Mystery. Magic.

Seems like I've let those fall by the wayside amid all the discussions of tactics, balance, "what's core?", "does this model reality?", and "where's the verisimilitude?" When did I start using the word "verisimilitude" on a regular basis anyway?
I've never had these discussions at my table while playing 3E. NEVER. You've just been hanging out too long on EN World. The atmosphere here is poisonous. You have let it corrupt you, and lead you away from the "Fun. Imagination. Stories. Mystery. Magic."

I know it's hard to admit, but what's really happened to you is a direct result of a failure in your character. Your flawed and misguided preferences have lead you down a dark path, and it's not the game system which is to blame. I guarantee that you will have these same issues with OD&D. OD&D cannot make you a better person.


Rel said:
With Gary passing recently, it had me reflecting back on gaming with him this past GenCon and how much pure fun that was. None of the other BS that we're constantly reading about here on the boards. Just the magic of enjoyment that comes from exploring a dungeon, falling down a 10' pit and smashing skeletons while finding a Shield +1.
I'm sure it was, but the OD&D==fun correlation isn't causation. You played OD&D before you became in EN World regular. That's the real cause.


Rel said:
There were no attacks of opportunity (although Gary could have given somebody one if he felt it was warranted: GM judgement at work). There was no counting squares. There was no big list of abilities that could be used 1/day. There were no skills to track. We had Sleep and Charm Person and we LIKED IT. And for anything else you could make a Dex check.
On the fly game design at its worst. Not even EGG at his height could think up rules on the fly as well balanced and intuitive as a whole team of really smart designers with hundreds of play testers and months of lead time at their disposal.


Rel said:
Just think of how much easier that is to keep track of.
What's to keep track of? How many HP you have and whether you've used your Daily Power cast Sleep yet?

That's right. OD&D had Daily Powers too. They were called spells, but that's just a rose by another different name. OD&D also had At-Will Powers, like Attack and Climb Walls.

Going back to OD&D saves you nothing. Nothing. And it certainly won't make up for your personal failings as a player/DM.


Rel said:
How much easier is it to PREPARE for?! When I think of running other versions of D&D, I think my players must assume that I am MADE of free time! And if I'm going to spend the time to prep the game at all then they can certainly live with a more simplified ruleset where I'm granted a bit more GM fiat.
Simplified ruleset? DM Fiat? More like "We couldn't bother to make a complete ruleset, so you have to do it yourself." And your so-called "preparations" would be just as easy in 3E if there were no actual rules to compare your NPCs and Monsters with. What you're really trying to avoid isn't the "hard work" of making an NPC or Monster "to spec", but rather you're trying to avoid the embarrassment of one of your players whipping out the D&D 3.5 MMIV and showing you, conclusively, just how badly designed your monsters are. You can't handle the heat, so you've gotten out of the (3E) kitchen.

In short: Your current game system is not the problem. You are. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something.

But I'm not just picking on you, Rel. Clearly this madness has spread to all of the petty dictators who don't like exposing their (poor) DM-ing skills to playtester informed, critical feedback from their players. I've been a fan of EN World for a long time, for their forward looking and courageous ways. But clearly the nuts have taken over the asylum, and rather than confronting the future it has been rejected by those who fear change.

Good riddance to you all. I'm joining Charwoman Gene's 4E board.
 

Belen

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Morrus said:
Rel, you really should know better. This is not a 4E thread. I'm moving it to General.

Really, I don't have time to babysit you.

W*anker. You do not know how to play real D&D, so you kill discussion by moving it to General.
 


Rel

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Irda Ranger said:
And it certainly won't make up for your personal failings as a player/DM.

Well I don't have any but if I find one I'll let you know.

Good riddance to you all. I'm joining Charwoman Gene's 4E board.

Don't let the door hitcha where the good lord splitcha!
 

qstor

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Morrus said:
And, frankly, I've had just about enough of this. I'm tempted to just sign on the dotted line at which point it won't be my problem any more.


Morrus sorry that you've left thanks for all your work. I wanted to get my piece in before the thead was closed. I didn't know about the Eric Noah edition wars thing. Part of me wants to think is this all an April Fools joke but I guess not.

The thread is kinda a train wreck. Do we blame it all on 4e? Not sure...some of the posts in the 4e subforum were too much of WOTC "can do no wrong" for me.

Now the site is falling. Isn't Dragonsfoot for OD&D/AD&D folks? I used to stick out of the 1e/2e vs 3e fights now I have to pick between ALL the other editions vs 4e and for me the choice is clear. ENworld RIP?

Mike
 

Gentlegamer

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Irda Ranger said:
On the fly game design at its worst. Not even EGG at his height could think up rules on the fly as well balanced and intuitive as a whole team of really smart designers with hundreds of play testers and months of lead time at their disposal.
The players discover what the designers do not. Ad hoc rulings tailored to each group are superior to what "really smart" designers come up with.
 
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Nine Hands

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Hypersmurf said:
Just like 4E!

The thing is, 4E is designed to be simple by being streamlined - everything falling under consistent mechanics. And we still see people getting rules wrong, even though there are only a few rules we know so far.

Rel's point, I think, is that OD&D is simple by being loose, and so it's much harder to get a rule 'wrong', since it's not really possible to get a rule 'right', either.

If it were up to me, I'd probably put the thread back in the 4E forum - I think that the comparison between OD&D and 4E is at the heart of what Rel is saying. But I like my job too much, and I'm not going to risk sticking an oar in right now.

-Hyp.

Yup, as long as there are rules, someone will get them wrong.
 

Irda Ranger

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Gentlegamer said:
The players discover what the designers do not.
If I wanted to be a playtester, I'd sign up. I like my RPGs like I like my cars - well oiled machines that are fast, powerful, and finely tuned.


Gentlegamer said:
Ad hoc rulings tailored to each group is superior to what "really smart" designers come up with.
You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake except in the ways your ad hoc rulings are poorly considered. While there are many ways to be badwrongunfair, there are very few ways to make a fungood rule. A well designed Dispel Magic is equally beneficial to all groups.


Rel said:
Don't let the door hitcha where the good lord splitcha!
You can't get rid of me that easily! Let it be known: I will be "The Diaglo of d20." There is only one true fully evolved D&D. All others are less fit predecessors destined for replacement.
 

howandwhy99

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Irda Ranger said:
You can't get rid of me that easily! Let it be known: I will be "The Diaglo of d20." There is only one true fully evolved D&D. All others are less fit predecessors destined for replacement.
I suppose we can abide one lone nut naysayer. Welcome to your new role as court jester.

 


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