Odd but legal?

[Hypersmurf]

No, the mace is still the mace. The handaxe is still the handaxe.

Which is the second weapon when I make my first attack with the longsword, while wielding longsword and handaxe?

Which is the second weapon when I make my off-hand attack with the mace, while wielding longsword and mace?

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

Which is the second weapon when I make my first attack with the longsword, while wielding longsword and handaxe?

The weapon that is not the longsword.

Which is the second weapon when I make my off-hand attack with the mace, while wielding longsword and mace?

The weapon that is not the longsword.

I still see no alcohol here.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The weapon that is not the longsword.

So at the start of the round, the second weapon is the handaxe, and at the end of the round, the second weapon is the mace.

What if, instead of dropping the handaxe, I drop the longsword and transfer the handaxe to my primary hand before drawing the mace with my off-hand? Which is the second weapon now? Both the weapons I am wielding are "the weapon that is not the longsword".

If two weapons can be the second weapon at different times during the round, why is it impossible that one of them be the longsword?

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

So at the start of the round, the second weapon is the handaxe, and at the end of the round, the second weapon is the mace.

What if, instead of dropping the handaxe, I drop the longsword and transfer the handaxe to my primary hand before drawing the mace with my off-hand? Which is the second weapon now? Both the weapons I am wielding are "the weapon that is not the longsword".

What if, the name that launched a thousand flights of fancy, as unto a golden apple thrown into the midst of a host.

If two weapons can be the second weapon at different times during the round, why is it impossible that one of them be the longsword?

Because then it is still the longsword.

I still see no alcohol here.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Because then it is still the longsword.

The mace may be 'the mace' and, at the same time, 'the second weapon'.

Bearing one designation does not preclude the other.

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

The mace may be 'the mace' and, at the same time, 'the second weapon'.

As long as it is still the mace.

Bearing one designation does not preclude the other.

And yet it is called "Two Weapon Fighting", and not "Extra Attack Fighting".

 

[Hypersmurf]

As long as it is still the mace.

But it may be the second weapon, without the necessity of also being the handaxe.

And yet it is called "Two Weapon Fighting", and not "Extra Attack Fighting".

That's what the daggers are for - to ensure that every time I attack with the shortsword, I'm fighting with two weapons.

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

But it may be the second weapon, without the necessity of also being the handaxe.

Regardless, it is still the handaxe.

That's what the daggers are for - to ensure that every time I attack with the shortsword, I'm fighting with two weapons.

Not if the shortsword remains the shortsword.

I still see no alcohol here.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Regardless, it is still the handaxe.

The mace is never the handaxe. The second weapon was the handaxe; the second weapon is no longer the handaxe.

Not if the shortsword remains the shortsword.

Even if the shortsword remains the shortsword. I have a shortsword and a dagger at all times. If someone provoked an AoO with a readied action while the shortsword was in my right hand, I could take it with either the shortsword or the dagger. If someone provoked an AoO with a readied action while the shortsword was in my left hand, I could take it with either the shortsword or the dagger.

While the shortsword is in my right hand, I am wielding a second weapon in my off-hand - the dagger. While the shortsword is in my left hand, I am wielding a second weapon in my off-hand - the shortsword.

You can count the weapons, if you like.

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

The mace is never the handaxe. The second weapon was the handaxe; the second weapon is no longer the handaxe.

I think we are confused.

Even if the shortsword remains the shortsword. I have a shortsword and a dagger at all times.

A shortsword, and a dagger, yes.

If someone provoked an AoO with a readied action while the shortsword was in my right hand, I could take it with either the shortsword or the dagger. If someone provoked an AoO with a readied action while the shortsword was in my left hand, I could take it with either the shortsword or the dagger.

And your point is...?

While the shortsword is in my right hand, I am wielding a second weapon in my off-hand - the dagger. While the shortsword is in my left hand, I am wielding a second weapon in my off-hand - the shortsword.

And hence it is still the shortsword, which is the shortsword that was the first weapon. Thus no TWF because it violates the abstraction.

You can count the weapons, if you like.

Yes. I count a shortsword, and a shortsword.

I still see no alcohol here.