Odd but legal?

[Darklone]

Wow, more ping-pong goodness

 

[awayfarer]

I can't believe this much thread has been pulled out of a trip to the loo.

 

[James McMurray]

If you give me a dollar, take it back, and then give me a different dollar, have you given me a second dollar?

What's the key criterion? a/ I'm in possession of two of your dollars? b/ I've received two dollars which are not the same physical object? c/ I've received a dollar from you on two separate occasions?

The key criterion is satisfying the definitions of the word second in the English language.

If it's not obvious to you that a first object and a second object are distinct entities, there's really no point in discussing it.

 

[James McMurray]

Can anyone point to a rules source that says that switching hands is a free action? RotG says it is but the FAQ says it isn't, so it seems like the out-of-book sources negate themselves.

 

[werk]

Can anyone point to a rules source that says that switching hands is a free action? RotG says it is but the FAQ says it isn't, so it seems like the out-of-book sources negate themselves.

You are correct sir!

 

[Hypersmurf]

Can anyone point to a rules source that says that switching hands is a free action? RotG says it is but the FAQ says it isn't, so it seems like the out-of-book sources negate themselves.

The 3E Main FAQ said it is as well, so that's one-and-a-half OOB sources in favour vs one against

(Actually, the 3E Main FAQ said it was two free actions, to be fair.)

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

If it's not obvious to you that a first object and a second object are distinct entities, there's really no point in discussing it.

Alfred, Bob, and Carl are running a race. Alfred takes an early lead. Who is the first runner?

Bob passes Alfred at the halfway mark. Who is the second runner?

At the time that I make my off-hand attack, the weapon is the second weapon wielded in my off-hand. The first weapon wielded in my primary hand isn't the same weapon that was there at the start of the round (since that weapon is currently the second weapon wielded in my off-hand), but if we require that the weapon in my main hand and the weapon in my off-hand remain identical throughout the entire round, it rather screws dagger throwers...

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

Alfred, Bob, and Carl are running a race. Alfred takes an early lead. Who is the first runner?

Passing from absolute to relative references without justification. Bad Hypersmurf!

Bob passes Alfred at the halfway mark. Who is the second runner?

Ditto.

At the time that I make my off-hand attack, the weapon is the second weapon wielded in my off-hand. The first weapon wielded in my primary hand isn't the same weapon that was there at the start of the round (since that weapon is currently the second weapon wielded in my off-hand), but if we require that the weapon in my main hand and the weapon in my off-hand remain identical throughout the entire round, it rather screws dagger throwers...

I still see no alcohol here.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Passing from absolute to relative references without justification.

How so?

If we're talking absolute references, isn't the mace a third weapon wielded in my off hand, since the second weapon was the handaxe, when it was wielded in my off hand?

If the mace can be considered a second weapon because I'm currently wielding two, then so can the shortsword... even if the shortsword were earlier considered a first weapon, just as the mace was earlier considered neither first nor second.

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

How so?

If we're talking absolute references, isn't the mace a third weapon wielded in my off hand, since the second weapon was the handaxe, when it was wielded in my off hand?

No, the mace is still the mace. The handaxe is still the handaxe.

If the mace can be considered a second weapon because I'm currently wielding two, then so can the shortsword... even if the shortsword were earlier considered a first weapon, just as the mace was earlier considered neither first nor second.

No, the shortsword remains the shortsword. The mace remains the mace. And never the twain shall meet.

I still see no alcohol here.