Chaosmancer
Legend
which is nonsense IMO, potent mundane martials can exist, they managed it in 4e after all.
Except, in 4e, no one was actually mundane. A high level fighter became a demigod, they didn't just become a mundane fighter.
which is nonsense IMO, potent mundane martials can exist, they managed it in 4e after all.
There's not a lot of good Cleric spells that really support an Invoker character though. And even if you add spells via a Subclass, the Cleric subclass design doesn't give you many new spells to work with. And if you just add those spells to the Cleric list to add Invoker flavor, nothing stops any Cleric from taking them so in the end, in the attempt to create a different playstyle (Divine Controller/Blaster) you just powered up the Cleric.
Dragon sorcerer subclass spell list
Cantrip - Primal Savagery, but the option to use your dragon type instead of acid
1st - absorb elements, chromatic orb
2nd - Alter Self, Chromatic Orb
3rd - Fear, Fly
4th - Polymorph, Conjure minor elementals
5th - Conjure Elements, Summon Draconic Spirit
The key is there are 2 popular types of magic users D&D doesn't do.
1) The Harry-potteresque cantrip spammer.
2) The Marvel/DC/Anime mage with a few to a dozen powers that they have extreme control or mastery of due to their closeness to it or their genetic/bloodline
I am not sure anyone actually WANTS DnD casters to do this though. Like, even most mages in fiction don't work like Potter and the gang, and the Harry Potter universe, while still very popular, is stagnating and falling out of favor.
I think there is space for a "cantrip spammer" but....
Only if you chose that.Except, in 4e, no one was actually mundane. A high level fighter became a demigod, they didn't just become a mundane fighter.
But martials DID have power in that system right? Quite a bit of it, Is there any reason WHY you couldn’t establish powerful AEDU martials in 5e alongside the current spellcasters as they are?By removing 99% of caster power - which didn’t go over well.
Relative to current casters? No.But martials DID have power in that system right?
Yes. 5e currently has non-supernatural martials. You cannot have non-supernatural martials and supernatural martials on the power level of full casters be balanced with non-supernatural martials and have the thematics make sense together.Quite a bit of it, Is there any reason WHY you couldn’t establish powerful AEDU martials in 5e alongside the current spellcasters as they are?
Yes, that is my preferred solution too.Ideally I like the base class martials being mundane in tiers 1-2, while being supernatural in tiers 3 and 4.