Only one mark at a time?

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The Fighter and Paladin marks specifically say that a target can only have one mark at a time. The Warden verbage doesn't say this. So if wardens are involved, a target can have multiple marks?

 

[Droogie128]

A fighter can mark any enemy he attacks. A paladin can only mark one at a time. These apply to their specific marks though.. Divine and Combat Challenge. They can place a generic mark on other targets with powers such as Misdirected Mark.

 

[fba827]

The Fighter and Paladin marks specifically say that a target can only have one mark at a time. The Warden verbage doesn't say this. So if wardens are involved, a target can have multiple marks?

A fighter/paladin/swordmage can only mark one target at a time (not counting a special specific power/ability). A warden can mark multiple targets at a time.

A creature can only have one active mark on it at a time. So if a fighter, paladin, swordmage, and warden all mark the same creature, the _last_ person to mark the target is the one that "sticks"
It's clarified in PHB2, refer to p218 bottom sidebar, second paragraph (which is why it isn't mentioned in the warden class since it's clarified in the same book, so that future defenders don't need that same extra text that the fighter/paladin have).

 

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Thank you for the replies (and especially the page reference)!

 

[DracoSuave]

A fighter/paladin/swordmage can only mark one target at a time (not counting a special specific power/ability). A warden can mark multiple targets at a time.

Incorrect.

1) Marked is a condition (see p277) that has a special rule that only one creature can mark you at a time. The condition applies: 'You get a -2 penalty with any attack that does not include the creature that marked you.'

That is it. Nothing else. Nothing restricts -any- character from marking multiple creatures.

2) The fighter and the warden have ways to apply the marked condition that are outside of the use of powers. The fighter may apply it to -any- creature he's attacked, and the warden can apply it, once per round, to all adjacent creatures. This ability allows the fighter to mark multiple targets, as well as the warden. (Example: A Dragonborn uses Dragon Breath to mark multiple targets in the blast. A tempest fighter uses Dual Strike to mark two opponents.)

3) The fighter and the warden also have class features that allow them to react to creatures with the marked condition. How that creature got marked to them is irrelevant (Misdirected Marks from a Bard count, as do marks from other class features/powers, say from multiclassing).

4) The paladin and swordmage have class feature powers that assign a single target a mark, and a triggered condition for a punishment. That's -two- effects, not one. It's mark+something else. Now these powers -explicitly state- that applying -that power- to another target ends the effects on the first target. This has nothing to do with marks tho, this is based on using the power. Divine Challenge doesn't care that you've -marked- someone else, it cares if you've Divine Challenged someone else.

5) The paladin and swordmage have attack powers that explicitly mark multiple creatures as part of their attacks. (Q.V. Arcing Smite, PHB1, p 93) These marks have nothing to do with Divine Challenge OR Swordmage Aegis. If the marked creature doesn't attack the Paladin or Swordmage, then the defender doesn't get to apply his Divine Challenge/Aegis, because those are the additional effects of powers, and are not the result of marking an opponent.

So to summarize:
Fighters and Wardens apply the marked condition, and have abilities that trigger off the condition itself.
Paladins and Swordmages have powers that apply the marked condition, and some of those powers -may- include a punishment for the target, but apply no punishments regarding the marked condition itself.


Regardless, this means one thing. -Any- defender can mark multiple opponents, if they have the means to do so, and with impunity. A Paladin or Swordmage cannot Divine Challenge/Swordmage Aegis multiple opponents with their basic powers.

The part about a creature only having one mark at a time on it tho? That is correct.

 

[Dr_Sage]

Jeez! We made a mistake.


I have just mentioned in another tread: our paladin had used Piercing Smite to mark multiple opponents, killing them momments later with the Divine Challenge damage. They ignnored her and attacked my fighter.

Living and learning...

 

[DracoSuave]

What interests me is that the paladin preview for Divine Power makes mention of a 'divine sanction' with little information as to what it is.

See, if the paladin has a weakness as a class, it isn't the Str/Cha thing, it is the fact that it can only Divine Challenge one guy at a time at any tier, something other defenders have workarounds for. If a divine sanction is the punishment aspect of divine challenge, then those powers which assign it are very valuable indeed, and this is a very good direction to go for our holy warriors.

 

[N0Man]

Yeah, DracoSuave has it right here. In fact, I remember when 4E was new and people first realized that a Dragonborn Fighter could mark multiple targets with his Breath attack (or an area effect power gained through multiclass feats).

 

[kdogg3403]

Incorrect.

2) The fighter and the warden have ways to apply the marked condition that are outside of the use of powers. The fighter may apply it to -any- creature he's attacked, and the warden can apply it, once per round, to all adjacent creatures. This ability allows the fighter to mark multiple targets, as well as the warden. (Example: A Dragonborn uses Dragon Breath to mark multiple targets in the blast. A tempest fighter uses Dual Strike to mark two opponents.)

Does this mean when a fighter uses cleave he can mark the enemy he attacked as well as the adjacent enemy he cleaved? What about OAs? Can he mark the guy he got the OA on?

 

[Dalzig]

Does this mean when a fighter uses cleave he can mark the enemy he attacked as well as the adjacent enemy he cleaved?

No. You must attack a creature to mark it. The cleaved enemy is not attacked, it is just damaged.

What about OAs? Can he mark the guy he got the OA on?

Did you attack the creature? If yes, then you can mark him.