OOC Discussion for Kingdom of Ashes (Leaving Queens, Breaking Swords, & Snake Chicks)

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Asking them to cast anything is a bad idea. None of the circle has a reliable enough arcane spellcraft check to know what the redmage would be casting. The first thing we should do before letting them go anywhere is immediately cast Dimensional Anchor upon bringing them out of the prison. This, at least, prevents them from teleporting or DDing away. (Remember these are redmages. They don't have to prepare spells.)

This is something that is a matter of trust... we need to show that we have the ability to trust them-- while, at the same time, providing them a reason to trust us.

Moreover, we can have Janston and Randall there, as well.

It is just one mage. We will all be around him/her. If he/she is stupid enough to try something, they are in trouble.

If you don't want the circle to be there, you can't get the +2 from Xath...

I do want the circle there. It'd be asking for trouble to do otherwise.

Just because we're trying to win them over, doesn't mean we should be stupid about it. We should have someone capable of casting Counterspell with us with a readied action in case they try anything.

We should also be ready in case they have Quicken, Silent, or Still spell feats.

There's nothing stupid about it-- in fact-- it's probably much smarter than setting ourselves up to have each individual Talon Red Mage try something as we talk to them individually. This way, we speak to all of them at once, they are still kept in the anti-magic prison, and we look like nice guys.

There will be someone with Counterspell there--Janston. And, more importantly, there is no "they"-- only him/her because only one of them will be able to cast any spells.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

With the mages-- we have to remember that we are not trying to interrogate and intimidate them into become our allies.

We are trying to win them over.

So, asking one Talon Red Mage to come out of the prison and cast one spell seems to be an easy way to make us look good... especially because that spell is being used to identify the Candle of Truth... he can look back to his friends in the prison and fill them in on what the item is.

If he believes that he will have the chance to cast one spell and bring about anything but his own destruction, he's pretty stupid.

 

[The_Universe]

Asking them to cast anything is a bad idea. None of the circle has a reliable enough arcane spellcraft check to know what the redmage would be casting. The first thing we should do before letting them go anywhere is immediately cast Dimensional Anchor upon bringing them out of the prison. This, at least, prevents them from teleporting or DDing away. (Remember these are redmages. They don't have to prepare spells.)



If you don't want the circle to be there, you can't get the +2 from Xath...



I think that as high level redmages, they'd be pretty competent in getting themselves home. We should probably just offer supplies, but I don't think we'd need to teleport them anywhere.

Just because we're trying to win them over, doesn't mean we should be stupid about it. We should have someone capable of casting Counterspell with us with a readied action in case they try anything.

We should also be ready in case they have Quicken, Silent, or Still spell feats.

I think you're missing some of the pertinent points of Liz's plan. The first (and most important) is that she's only planning on letting 1 red mage out at a time. This means that you, at most, have one mage trying to create havoc, if you fail your diplomacy checks. You should be able to deal with one redmage effectively, and using the candle of truth on yourselves should help with the diplomacy attempts.

Since the rest will still have their magic suppressed, you shouldn't have any trouble (or at least little trouble) with rogue magics.

If they ultimately prove uncooperative but non-hostile, let them out in 2's and 3's, and let them teleport wherever they want to go.

Second, you already noticed - she does want the whole circle there.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Not a candle of True Seeing-- Candle of Truth.

 

[Archon]

"Do you feel lucky....punk?"

Archonus will be there, but i don't think you want his help. he follows a more melodramtic path of interrogation.
but the plan looks good. the sooner we do it the better.
mik aka "Lover of the Field"

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

No interrogation, at all. We want them to start thinking of us as friends-- not enemies... really, we're giving them the opportunity to interrogate us... but, from a long ways away... and all their magic shut off...

But, so long as all the circle has their rings on, we can all say what we need to say... but with a +ridiculous diplomacy check.

 

[The_Universe]

Archonus will be there, but i don't think you want his help. he follows a more melodramtic path of interrogation.
but the plan looks good. the sooner we do it the better.
mik aka "Lover of the Field"

I think he's just supposed to stand there and look menacing. So, no histrionics should be required.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

I think he's just supposed to stand there and look menacing. So, no histrionics should be required.

and authoritative!

 

[Xath]

And we are back, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[The_Universe]

And we are back, ladies and gentlemen.

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