OOC Kingdom of Ashes IV - Who's yo' daddy?

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Additionally, everyone assumes that Jaine prefers her role as queen to the role of mother... Maybe she will simply choose to step down and choose her child over the throne.

If it were me in her shoes, that would be my choice.

 

[The_Universe]

So we came up with a list of options... since she wasn't a part of the discussion, someone needs to take her the options we have. It should be Archonus.

I will agree, under the assumption that this is a discussion that Xath, L'aurel, and Justice are having IN CHARACTER. I don't want Archon to take her the options, and then have Xath mad because he suggested one of the things on the list she made. It's gotten silly enough, already.

Thoughts?

I also think you need to find out more from/about AB before you proceed. If you can de-broodify him, a bit, he may be the solution to almost all of these problems. But you need to know more about his oath, and he ain't telling. Remember that it's like dealing with the REAL Archon, but even more broody. Tailor your tactics as such.

 

[Xath]

Xath may feel like Jaine is the her man's "baby momma"-- but, when she and Archonus had sex, she was under the impression that he loved her. Moreover, when in love with an adventurer, you do what you must-- and you do it quickly.

No. When you're the leader of a rebellion you contemplate the concequences of all of your actions. Haste is no excuse for stupidity or irresponsibility. So what if she thought he loved her? They had known each other for at most, a few weeks. I have my doubts as to Jaine's authority on the meaning of love; this is the second time she thought she was, and it turned out to be nothing. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Archonus could be killed at any moment. If you were in her shoes, what would you have done?

Not touching this with a stick.

It was not stupidity that got her into this mess-- it was Archonus' lie.

Oh, I think I can make a pretty good arguement for this being stupidity, albiet on both their parts. Jaine is not the pure innocent here; sure Archon was a complete jerk afterwards, but this situation is partially her fault and she can't escape that. Archonus told her he loved her, which may or may not have been true at the time. So what? Someone says that, and so you throw caution to the wind and decide to jeopardize everything you've been working for for the past 6 years for one night of fun? That is stupid; no ifs ands or buts about it.

To mislead her and have her believe that he loved her is what started this whole mess and now we want HER to give up the baby?

Uh...I believe the inital situation had mutual consent, if a bit reluctant on one side. I'm not saying she has to give up the baby. I'm saying she has to do something.

Additionally, everyone assumes that Jaine prefers her role as queen to the role of mother... Maybe she will simply choose to step down and choose her child over the throne.

If those are her priorities, she has no business being queen. The lives of thousands of people can not be put at risk for the life of one, no matter how close that one is. That is one of the burdens of rulership. That burden is what got her into this mess into the first place, I believe it was..."I just want to be a woman for once" or something like that.

 

[The_Universe]

Well then, what does she want? She can't just have everything her way when she won't point out any options. And despite the fact that stupidity got her into this mess, she has to realize that leaving things as they are is dangerous in a physical and political sense to her, her child, and the rebellion. So something has to be done. Is this the circle's business? Not really, any more than we are some of her political advisors. This is something that should be worked out between Jaine and Archon, but something has to be done, and it has to be done soon.

She has to stop moping and do something about this or she could jeopardize any claims of legitamacy with the noble's council.

Maybe you should ask her? Maybe all of you should ask her, rather than sending the worst communicator in the group in after her?

 

[Laurel]

Yes we need to ask her all of the above.

Sending in Arhconus may not the best, no... but all of us? That would go well, "So we have all been talking about you and the kingdom and such and here are some options we came up with for you."
Maybe sending in the girls? or Justice and L'Aurel if Xath doesn't want to go, but that's a group choice/discussion.

Also, before we actually do anything IC as you, Kennon, pointed out we do need to know what options people are truly willing to see happen. Would Arhconus marry Jaine? WOuld Xath be okay with this? What is Arhconus' thought on the possible options now? Justice? Kareth?

Do we go try and speak with AB as a group? Maybe in mass form we can get something out of him that individually we could not? Even if does not solve the baby issue it may solve some unanswered questions of what his deal is!

 

[The_Universe]

but he never said I love you.

For public record, I would like to submit, since I am *ahem* Jaine *ahem* that while he did not say, "I love you," there was an exchange of:

"But can you...do you love me?" she asked.

"I...there are so many things..." he started to respond, then stopped, instead drawing her closer as she shivered in the dark.

"Am I so unworthy of love to have lost even you, Archonus?"

"No, my Que...Jaine," he answered.

And then they kissed, and it faded to black, and the rest is history.

What's done is done for better or in the case for far worse. It sucks all around, and we can argue over who it sucks more for, but again that still won't solve the issue. It effects far more then three people or even just the circle- it effects the new kingdom.
Many things have and did go wrong, but the point is to now to fix it as best as possible.

This is exactly right. The future is all you can change, now.

 

[The_Universe]

Additionally, everyone assumes that Jaine prefers her role as queen to the role of mother... Maybe she will simply choose to step down and choose her child over the throne.

If it were me in her shoes, that would be my choice.

That's possible. It might be a good idea to get a plan B going for who's going to take the throne if that happens.

 

[The_Universe]

Oh, I think I can make a pretty good arguement for this being stupidity, albiet on both their parts. Jaine is not the pure innocent here; sure Archon was a complete jerk afterwards, but this situation is partially her fault and she can't escape that. Archonus told her he loved her, which may or may not have been true at the time. So what? Someone says that, and so you throw caution to the wind and decide to jeopardize everything you've been working for for the past 6 years for one night of fun? That is stupid; no ifs ands or buts about it.

Do remember that she hasn't been fighting for this for the past seven years - she was thrust into it by circumstance, marooned alone after Tain had her father assassinated. After that, she was forced to run for no better reason than her blood, putting up resistence where she could, but mostly just running. She didn't have a lot of choice in the matter - it's either be queen, or be dead.

Uh...I believe the inital situation had mutual consent, if a bit reluctant on one side. I'm not saying she has to give up the baby. I'm saying she has to do something.

Give her the option, and find out what she thinks. Its a good policy, and it leaves the decision in the hands of the Queen, as opposed to only her advisors.

"I just want to be a woman for once" or something like that.

It was something like that, yes.

 

[The_Universe]

Sending in Arhconus may not the best, no... but all of us? That would go well, "So we have all been talking about you and the kingdom and such and here are some options we came up with for you."
Maybe sending in the girls? or Justice and L'Aurel if Xath doesn't want to go, but that's a group choice/discussion.

When I said all of you, I meant the girls. Jansten wouldn't make any sense, Archon keeps screwing it up, and Kaereth would just be his normal shiny happy self.

Do we go try and speak with AB as a group? Maybe in mass form we can get something out of him that individually we could not? Even if does not solve the baby issue it may solve some unanswered questions of what his deal is!

That's good. Alternatively (or additionally), you may have to ask someone else who knows. AB isn't much of a talker. He's better at speeches than AA, but he's also even more cryptic. The only way to get the whole story may be to ask ol' Blue, or one of his more powerful minions.

Furthermore, you could always ask Cawys, who might have some insight into deals/oaths with the Bluestar.

 

[Laurel]

When I said all of you, I meant the girls. Jansten wouldn't make any sense, Archon keeps screwing it up, and Kaereth would just be his normal shiny happy self.

That's good. Alternatively (or additionally), you may have to ask someone else who knows. AB isn't much of a talker. He's better at speeches than AA, but he's also even more cryptic. The only way to get the whole story may be to ask ol' Blue, or one of his more powerful minions.

Furthermore, you could always ask Cawys, who might have some insight into deals/oaths with the Bluestar.

So let's go chat with granny blue oh, wait first we have to know about her... as more then just a legend, but as someone still alive and doing fine with hubby bluestar.
Cawys... why not let's go!
Ol' blue is kind of a last resort as we don't want to have to explain the why's involved....
Let's commune with the heavens about it!