OOC Kingdom of Ashes IV - Who's yo' daddy?

[Archon]

Comming to a conclusion

i would like the simplest of solutions. Jaine to marry Archon. we know where his loyaties lie and it doesn't take dealing with the evil Lord of Death to make it happen. we want an awful lot from the Bluestar. what are we willing to give him? he'll want something for his assistence. and the more we ask for the more we'll have to give. maybe not now, maybe not tommorrow, but eventually.
Archonus just wants his children to be happy and for the kingdom to be strong. the queen is being very stuborn, but hey, it's her kingdom. he'd rather The Prince of the North not be wed to a Queen on her death bed, but if everyone else wants it and the DM wants it then i guess it will happen.
anyway, we need a final answer. which means we need everyone to cast their vote. mine is not not entirely without bias i understand but cast my vote for "Jaine sucks it up and marries AA."
mik

 

[Archon]

Comming to a conclusion

i would like the simplest of solutions. Jaine to marry Archon. we know where his loyaties lie and it doesn't take dealing with the evil Lord of Death to make it happen. we want an awful lot from the Bluestar. what are we willing to give him? he'll want something for his assistence. and the more we ask for the more we'll have to give. maybe not now, maybe not tommorrow, but eventually.
Archonus just wants his children to be happy and for the kingdom to be strong. the queen is being very stuborn, but hey, it's her kingdom. he'd rather The Prince of the North not be wed to a Queen on her death bed, but if everyone else wants it and the DM wants it then i guess it will happen.
anyway, we need a final answer. which means we need everyone to cast their vote. mine is not not entirely without bias i understand but cast my vote for "Jaine sucks it up and marries AA."
mik

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

I don't think Jaine is being stubborn. If I were her, I wouldn't ever want to see AA again... let alone be forced to marry him.

 

[Xath]

It's like Star Wars all over again...

Here's what I think we should do in any case. I think that we should split the twins up, regardless of who Jaine marries. I think the son should stay with Jaine, and the daughter should go with AA.

How do we explain Archon's sudden child? Well, we know he's...potent. So he had a baby, but the mother died in childbirth. (which, coincedently is most likely actually going to happen) Who's the mother? That can be handled separately; ie. someone from out of town. The woman won't really matter, because the child will obviously be Archon's because she'll have the mark.

This way Jaine, as far as anyone currently knows, has only one child. Together, she's a marked heir, and competition with her brother for the throne. Apart, she's an immediate valid heir to the Sylvanus March. The mark actually helps us here because it solidifies Archon's claim to paternity. This also puts her in line for the throne in a much clearer way than if she had been the daughter of the Queen. Jaine has an uncontested heir, unmarked, and Archon has a daughter in a place where her mark won't matter so much.

If Jaine dies, and AB proves a less than ideal monarch, the child can still become Queen, and she's safely away from her fake father. So she's insurance on several levels.

Now obviously, Archon wouldn't start adventuring with a papoose. Since he happens to have a child who is so "coincedently" the same age as Queen Rhynn's son, well, aren't they just the perfect playmates! We just need to insure that they don't get married some day...ew...

Also, the birth of a daughter to the Rhynn/Arendorr adds another "last daughter of Oberon" to the prophecy relating to the downfall of the Bluestar. That gives us 4: Jaine, Jaine Jr., Andere, and Archon's sister.

EDIT: Also, for the time being, since AA is currently in the service of Jaine, both children would be housed in Hyrwl, giving both AA and Jaine the ability to spend time with them both.

 

[Xath]

Just curious - what's the worst case scenario if AB does become king, and is still bound to the Bluestar. A best case?

What about the same for if he's released from his oath?

If the worst case is livable, it might be a a good option, regardless...

AB's loyalties only matter if you win the war in the first place.

Well, the worst case scenario if AB was king and bound to the bluestar would be the Bluestar's legal claim to having the falcon kingdom in his pocket. True, this possibility may bring him over to our side with more support, but I don't think we're freeing this kingdom from one evil just to put it under the dominion of another.

The best case scenario if AB is still under Big B's control is...if the Bluestar decides he doesn't want to be evil anymore and goes on a permanent second honeymoon on another plane leaving us to mind our own business. I'm not saying AB would make a bad king of his own volition, I'm just saying having him under the control of the bluestar makes our mission seem a bit hypocritical.

Best case if he's released from his oath? Jaine comes back to life, they fall in love and live happily ever after. We win the war, no issue. Everyone's happy, and...the streets are made of chocolate. Seriously? If AB is freed from Big Blue, he's got as much claim as anybody and he seems qualified.

Worst case if he's released from his oath? It's found by the noble's council that he's not the real Archon or that the boy child isn't his. Then we have a legitimacy problem all over again. (see previous post and alternate legitimacies aka. this is when we bring the girl in)

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Here's what I think we should do in any case. I think that we should split the twins up, regardless of who Jaine marries. I think the son should stay with Jaine, and the daughter should go with AA.

It could work... however, I don't know that it's a con I would like to mess with, though... we may just want to have her raised someplace far away and not have to worry about lying to a whole bunch of people...

However, I hear the Jade Forest Acad. does an excellent job of raising young girls.

 

[The_Universe]

i would like the simplest of solutions. Jaine to marry Archon. we know where his loyaties lie and it doesn't take dealing with the evil Lord of Death to make it happen. we want an awful lot from the Bluestar. what are we willing to give him? he'll want something for his assistence. and the more we ask for the more we'll have to give. maybe not now, maybe not tommorrow, but eventually.
Archonus just wants his children to be happy and for the kingdom to be strong. the queen is being very stuborn, but hey, it's her kingdom. he'd rather The Prince of the North not be wed to a Queen on her death bed, but if everyone else wants it and the DM wants it then i guess it will happen.
anyway, we need a final answer. which means we need everyone to cast their vote. mine is not not entirely without bias i understand but cast my vote for "Jaine sucks it up and marries AA."

Heh - Mik's first double post (as far as I know). Congrats.

As a matter of fact, they're both being stubborn. The Queen's not willing to marry AA in the current situation, and as far as I know, Archon has made no offer or effort to alter that situation to make it less loathsome.

And you're going to have to deal with the Bluestar, anyway, unless you're giving up completely on the Isle of Mourning (or if you rise to heretofore unimagined heights of planning prowess). It's not like he'll just go away if AB doesn't marry Jaine.

As for the various marriage proposals from Archon, please remember that it's not really compromise if one party doesn't have to give anything up. Nothing is impossible, but some things are VERY unlikely.

"Would you like to eat this bucket of worms?"
"No."
"Okay...but what if I gave you a bucket of worms?"
"No."
"But...it's a bucket! Of worms!"
"No."
(continue ad infinitum)

 

[The_Universe]

EDIT: Also, for the time being, since AA is currently in the service of Jaine, both children would be housed in Hyrwl, giving both AA and Jaine the ability to spend time with them both.

Seperating the twins is, in general, a great idea. I wish I had thought of it.

Nonetheless, Keeping Jaine and her daughter in the same place seems like it would make them both an easy target, particularly for those aware of the prophecy involving Oberon's last daughter.

Archon adventuring with a papoose is hardly ideal...but it might be necessary in order to keep her out from under the potentially (although not necessarily) dangerous influence of AB. It's not like an infant in the company of the Circle would be lacking for mommies.

Hey - you could even buy Kaereth the same toys you buy her!

Alternatively...

However, I hear the Jade Forest Acad. does an excellent job of raising young girls.

Yes it does, although it is officially a royal institution, and thus could be dangerous on that front, since the child is obviously the daughter of a fugitive of the King's justice. Furthermore, as I had previously characterized the place, they don't take infants...she probably has to be at least kindergarten age before they'd let her in.

Nevertheless, it's as good a place to hide her as any, assuming it becomes necessary. It might be a safer place than leaving her in Hyrwl, if her mark can be hidden or explained, anyway.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Yes it does, although it is officially a royal institution, and thus could be dangerous on that front, since the child is obviously the daughter of a fugitive of the King's justice. Furthermore, as I had previously characterized the place, they don't take infants...she probably has to be at least kindergarten age before they'd let her in.

Nevertheless, it's as good a place to hide her as any, assuming it becomes necessary. It might be a safer place than leaving her in Hyrwl, if her mark can be hidden or explained, anyway.

When Justice was taken in, she was younger than kindegarten age... as Kennon has said before, Justice was taken in at a *very* young age... so young that she has no memories of being anywhere but there.

DM says "Justice was a special case"... and, I'd say Baby Girl Rhynn is a special case, too. Justice is more than willing to try to pull some favors and see if she can find a way to have the baby raised there... she may be young... but, there are people there that know Justice well and she will do all she can to be sure the baby is kept safe...

I think it's a much better option than sending her to some wetnurse in Hyrwl or hauling her around with us as we adventure... unless Archonus is planning on giving up his career as an adventurer... at which point, they should just move far, far away.

 

[The_Universe]

I think it's a much better option than sending her to some wetnurse in Hyrwl or hauling her around with us as we adventure... unless Archonus is planning on giving up his career as an adventurer... at which point, they should just move far, far away.

For the record, totally OOC, I think the best option would be taking the infant adventuring. The scenes the rush through my head when I think about it are awesome. I mean, picture Archon fighting with a baby in one hand! How cool is that!?

However, IC, I realize its dangerous. The only IC argument for that that I can think of is that there's essentially no safer place on Aeres than with the Circle - they're among the most powerful warriors in the world, and they seem to have a pretty good survival rate, all things considered.

But that's all I can think of. I wish I had a better reason, but I don't.

EDIT: Liz just reminded me that as long as Archon stays lawful, he can take his child's pain, thus rendering the infant effectively invincible!