OOC Kingdom of Ashes IV - Who's yo' daddy?

[The_Universe]

....leaking out fire....what are the stat's on using a baby as a ranged ray weapon?

Well, using the baby as a ranged weapon would be just like using any thrown weapon with which you are not proficient.

You'd roll a normal ranged attack with a -4 penalty since a baby must be considered an exotic weapon (at least). Babies are tiny which means they'd probably only do 1d3 or 1d4 + str mod. for damage. On critical hits, I suppose the baby might splatter, thus dealing "splash damage" to adjacent targets.

As for the Spellfire ray, such a thing can only be activated by the child, or automatically "bled off" when the child has absorbed too many spell levels. Since the baby will have less than 1 hit die, every spell she tries to absorb will automatically be shot off in a random direction. Targets standing in the path of her ray are treated as normal combatants, and are thus subject to a ranged attack at the child's bonus.

Unfortunately, you can't "shoot" the baby like a gun, which is what I think you initially intended.

 

[Archon]

baby ray

you can if you build a vice grip, harness thingy that holds the kids head pointing in one direction. that way you could cast into the kid and point her head towards the enemy.

 

[The_Universe]

You mean like a harness and...druthers...?

 

[Xath]

I thought spellfire was based off of Con score and not HD.

 

[The_Universe]

I thought spellfire was based off of Con score and not HD.

I think you're right. Sorry. My bad.

Either way, it will be low for the infant!

All joking aside, though...I think the twins should be seperated, and I think a couple of ways to do that should be seriously examined. Secondarily, I think we need to continue looking at the questions in Post #328, and come to a conclusion.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

RE: Post #328

WORST CASE:

So, if we beat Tain and the kingdom in is Big Blue's Pocket, so to speak, we fight that battle when it comes. If we are the winners in our currently rebellion, we will have to fight with the Lichlord eventually... I think that that is unavoidable.

From what we learned with communing: If AB has no children the kingdom is not subject to the Bluestar's dominion. Jaine and AA's children are not subject to the oath that AB has sworn. And so, it comes down to whether or not we trust AB with the kingdom for the length of his reign.

If we can find a way to break the oath, that's all the better. But, if we can't, what can Big Blue accomplish through AB during his reign as king? (will need to ask him about that).

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BEST CASE:

I'd like to think that everyone can be "saved" from the Dark Side... however, I think that Blue Eye is probably past that point. If we are to use the Bluestar to do anything to our advantage, I think we need to bank on his Lawful side and make deals that can be manipulated later... the same with AB as king.

 

[The_Universe]

So, if we beat Tain and the kingdom in is Big Blue's Pocket, so to speak, we fight that battle when it comes. If we are the winners in our currently rebellion, we will have to fight with the Lichlord eventually... I think that that is unavoidable.

Well, if at the end of the war the Bluestar is still imprisoned, you probably can avoid war with him, at least in any sense more drastic than the border skirmishes that happen already. If, however, he is released from his prison and nothing drastic changes, you'll want to fight him.

From what we learned with communing: If AB has no children the kingdom is not subject to the Bluestar's dominion. Jaine and AA's children are not subject to the oath that AB has sworn. And so, it comes down to whether or not we trust AB with the kingdom for the length of his reign.

What would make you think you can trust him? What makes you think you can't? What's the most likely, based on the evidence? Is there anyone you can ask that might have more information?

If we can find a way to break the oath, that's all the better. But, if we can't, what can Big Blue accomplish through AB during his reign as king? (will need to ask him about that).

What do you think he could accomplish? How different is it if the Bluestar is free? If he is still imprisoned?

I'd like to think that everyone can be "saved" from the Dark Side... however, I think that Blue Eye is probably past that point. If we are to use the Bluestar to do anything to our advantage, I think we need to bank on his Lawful side and make deals that can be manipulated later... the same with AB as king.

Just remember that some of you are lawful, too, which means any deal you make must be a deal you're willing to uphold...for at least as long as the Bluestar does. So, start thinking about things the Bluestar wants, and things that you want, so that you'll be ready to negotiate when the time comes. What are you willing to give? What aren't you?

This is coming along very well. Keep the questions and answers flowing, and eventually a plan will arise...

 

[Xath]

What would make you think you can trust him? What makes you think you can't? What's the most likely, based on the evidence? Is there anyone you can ask that might have more information?

I think we can trust AB to tell us the truth, if cryptically. As far as I know, the questions he has answered have all been answered truthfully. It's just getting him to answer the questions. Also, Cawys may have some idea as to what an oath to the Bluestar entails. He seems to not be bound by his anymore. We should ask why/how.

What do you think he could accomplish? How different is it if the Bluestar is free? If he is still imprisoned?

Well, AB has to follow any orders that the Bluestar gives him. So effectively, the Bluestar would gain control of the kingdom. If the bluestar is free, he can take direct action with his undead minions to control the ringed continent and Prydein. If he's still imprisoned, his influence is limited to AB and whatever living minions he controls.


I think one of the things we need to determine is WHY AB is serving the Bluestar. It might give us some insight as to what his oath entails. He seems to be rather closed mouthed about this, so why not ask the next best thing; the other half of the doppleganger. Let's ask AA what could possibly drive him to swear an oath to the Bluestar and what he would be willing to sacrifice. Once we have narrowed down our base, we can focus on key questions, and perhaps unlock some of the mystery that is AB.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

I think we can trust AB to tell us the truth, if cryptically. As far as I know, the questions he has answered have all been answered truthfully. It's just getting him to answer the questions. Also, Cawys may have some idea as to what an oath to the Bluestar entails. He seems to not be bound by his anymore. We should ask why/how.

Was Cawys ever bound to Big Blue by an oath? Or was he just distributing the goods produced by him?

Well, AB has to follow any orders that the Bluestar gives him. So effectively, the Bluestar would gain control of the kingdom. If the bluestar is free, he can take direct action with his undead minions to control the ringed continent and Prydein. If he's still imprisoned, his influence is limited to AB and whatever living minions he controls.

AB may have an oath... but, he's not dumb. If the orders Big Blue gives him are contrary to his alignment or his moral code, I do not think that he would follow them. And so, I do not think that the entire kingdom would be under his controll... moreover, if he is made king, he will have another oath that would, possibly, contradict the oath to the Bluestar.

Additionally, he may be king, but he still has checks. If he does a bunch of evil bad things, he ends up with a rebellion on his hands... he can't realistically simply listen to the orders of grandpop.

By the way, does AB still have his Talon tatoo?

I think one of the things we need to determine is WHY AB is serving the Bluestar. It might give us some insight as to what his oath entails. He seems to be rather closed mouthed about this, so why not ask the next best thing; the other half of the doppleganger. Let's ask AA what could possibly drive him to swear an oath to the Bluestar and what he would be willing to sacrifice. Once we have narrowed down our base, we can focus on key questions, and perhaps unlock some of the mystery that is AB.

Or we could all confront AB together... let him how know important it is for him to fill us in... the fate of the kingdom may rest upon it... I don't know if that depth has ever been expressed to him... it seems that when people talk to him it's all "you can't keep it all inside" or "stop being so freakin' broody"... we need to let him know just how important it is that he tells us everything and get it from him...

(meta) if the potential destruction of the world rested on his *making* the oath, it should be enough to have him fill us in on the details OF that oath.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Well, if at the end of the war the Bluestar is still imprisoned, you probably can avoid war with him, at least in any sense more drastic than the border skirmishes that happen already. If, however, he is released from his prison and nothing drastic changes, you'll want to fight him.

Objective #1 when dealing with the Bluestar: Do not give him freedom.

What would make you think you can trust him? What makes you think you can't? What's the most likely, based on the evidence? Is there anyone you can ask that might have more information?

I think it is abundently clear that AB keeps his word. He is probably the most trustworthy person in the whole universe... sure, he's made a deal with the devil... but, that deal has not broken his ability to keep the promises that he makes.

What do you think he could accomplish? How different is it if the Bluestar is free? If he is still imprisoned?

If, somehow, the Bluestar were to get out, we need to be sure that he's not feeding on the souls of the living. He's a guy that likes order and stability... he just has no regard for the life of humanity... and, really, why place value on what you have overcome? In many ways, I can understand his twisted logic... he beat death.

... so, I really don't know what Big Blue would do if he got out... Would have to ask him.

Just remember that some of you are lawful, too, which means any deal you make must be a deal you're willing to uphold...for at least as long as the Bluestar does. So, start thinking about things the Bluestar wants, and things that you want, so that you'll be ready to negotiate when the time comes. What are you willing to give? What aren't you?

This is coming along very well. Keep the questions and answers flowing, and eventually a plan will arise...

What do we want?
(1) Troops
(2) Big Blue to NOT control the kingdom
(3) The secrets of how to destroy the blades
(4) A safe place to keep the blades until they can be destroyed

What does he want?
(1) Freedom?
(2) The open practice of wizardry?
(3) I just don't know... I left my evil hat in my other pants...