OOC Kingdom of Ashes IV - Who's yo' daddy?

The_Universe said:
That may be dangerous, as has been discussed above. The Academy may turn a blind eye to fatherless daughters, but they may have more trouble with rearing an infant daughter of either a treasonous rebel Queen or a murderer in the service of that same rebellion.

Also, remember that the daughter will be marked.

Honestly, though, the person you have to convince is Archon - if Jaine can be convinced to split up her children, at least one will likely end in the care of her father.
She can't come adventuring with us... so, she's got to somewhere that isn't Hyrwl...

Justice is more than willing to do everything she can to convince the Acad. to take her... and, if they won't, someone in the rebellion needs to take her far, far away to raise her.

So, unless we want to send her North to live with Grandpa, I'm not sure what other options we have.
 

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Queen_Dopplepopolis said:
She can't come adventuring with us... so, she's got to somewhere that isn't Hyrwl...

Justice is more than willing to do everything she can to convince the Acad. to take her... and, if they won't, someone in the rebellion needs to take her far, far away to raise her.

So, unless we want to send her North to live with Grandpa, I'm not sure what other options we have.
Those are all valid points, and certainly ideas worth pursuit - but remember that it is Archonus and Jaine who must decide, even if the rest of the circle can suggest.

I would contend, on the suggestion end, that the world is a dangerous place, and that she will be safe nowhere. Further, if she is not publicly raised as Archonus's daughter, she forfeits any claim she has on an eventual throne. Those difficulties are not insurmountable, but they do exist. ;)
 

I think sending her to the Jade Forest Academy is a bad idea, for several reasons.

1) As stated above, if she is not raised publicly as AA's daughter, she loses legitimacy as heir to the March of Sylvannus, as well as the other beneifits I listed in my previous post about splitting up the twins.
2) We don't have any strong connections to the Jade Forest Academy. Justice is a graduate, to be sure, but from what I gathered from the prologue, she was not well liked enough to curry any particular favors, especially of this magnitude. I could be wrong.
3) The Jade Forest Academy is a fighter training school. Many of the graduates go off to be mercenaries, some join the king's talon, some join us. Asking them to raise a child that is a valuable commodity to us, and a target of the King and the Bluestar is not a good idea.
4) We don't have control of the academy. They could do anything with her and we wouldn't be able to influence it.

I acknowledge that it is a bad idea to drag her around with us in a papoose. However, as stated above, she is conveniently of the right age to be an ideal playmate for Jaine's son, as long as we make sure they don't marry each other. Ew...

This way, Jaine could be mother and Archon could be father to both of their children without jeopardizing their claims to legitimacy. They are as safe in Hyrwl as they are anywhere, perhaps safer. And there we can be sure to have influence on their upbringing.

But after all is said and done, it's up to AA and Jaine.
 

Queen_Dopplepopolis said:
She can't come adventuring with us... so, she's got to somewhere that isn't Hyrwl...


Even if we "split up" the twins, we don't actually have to split up the twins. The split doesn't necessarily refer to a physical seperation so much as a differentiation between their parentage and claims to legitimacy amongst the kingdom. There's no reason why both can't remain in Hyrwl, and as long as that remains the base of operations for both Archon and Jaine, it makes perfect sense to have them both there.
 

Xath said:
I think sending her to the Jade Forest Academy is a bad idea, for several reasons.

1) As stated above, if she is not raised publicly as AA's daughter, she loses legitimacy as heir to the March of Sylvannus, as well as the other beneifits I listed in my previous post about splitting up the twins.
2) We don't have any strong connections to the Jade Forest Academy. Justice is a graduate, to be sure, but from what I gathered from the prologue, she was not well liked enough to curry any particular favors, especially of this magnitude. I could be wrong.
3) The Jade Forest Academy is a fighter training school. Many of the graduates go off to be mercenaries, some join the king's talon, some join us. Asking them to raise a child that is a valuable commodity to us, and a target of the King and the Bluestar is not a good idea.
4) We don't have control of the academy. They could do anything with her and we wouldn't be able to influence it.

I acknowledge that it is a bad idea to drag her around with us in a papoose. However, as stated above, she is conveniently of the right age to be an ideal playmate for Jaine's son, as long as we make sure they don't marry each other. Ew...

This way, Jaine could be mother and Archon could be father to both of their children without jeopardizing their claims to legitimacy. They are as safe in Hyrwl as they are anywhere, perhaps safer. And there we can be sure to have influence on their upbringing.

But after all is said and done, it's up to AA and Jaine.
I agree with most of this, save the idea that the child will ultimately be safe in Hyrwl. One misplaced spell and both heirs to the throne, and the throne itself are toasty and dead.

I agree with Liz - you gotta get one of them out of Hyrwl (at least most of the time) while still making it clear that she belongs to AA, not AB, and not anybody else. It's a toughy - fortunately, you have a few months before you need to figure this part out. But it's good to be thinking about it. :D

Even if we "split up" the twins, we don't actually have to split up the twins. The split doesn't necessarily refer to a physical seperation so much as a differentiation between their parentage and claims to legitimacy amongst the kingdom. There's no reason why both can't remain in Hyrwl, and as long as that remains the base of operations for both Archon and Jaine, it makes perfect sense to have them both there.
While differentiation of their parentage and claims is very important, keeping both of the potential heirs to your fragile kingdom in one place is dangerous. While politically beneficial to only seperate their parental claims, it's a security nightmare.

There's a reason the king's of france were usually reared in Spain or Austria (and not just because France, as a general rule, sucks).
 

Xath said:
I think sending her to the Jade Forest Academy is a bad idea, for several reasons.

I never said it was a good idea... however, it was *an* idea... and, realistically, it's the only place that Justice knows... and, if you're going to grow up without a parent... she knows from experience it's a good place to do it. And so, I spoke on behalf of Justice.

However, I do think she needs to be raised elsewhere... so, where do y'all think would work?

It is much easier to send her away than it is to lie to everyone who asks about where that baby comes from... especially if she happens to look A LOT like Jaine.
 
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Queen_Dopplepopolis said:
It is much easier to send her away than it is to lie to everyone who asks about where that baby comes from... especially if she happens to look A LOT like Jaine.
As is often the case in real life, the fact that she has an enormous blue birthmark will distract a great deal from the rest of her facial features.

But yeah - assuming Jaine lives, the fewer times they're seen standing in the same room for long periods of time, the better.
 

Xath said:
So...I've figured out something else the bluestar wants. It's not something we're going to want to give him, but it may be of equal weight to the "freedom" thing. Prophecy tells us that the Bluestar's downfall will come from Oberon's last daughter. I don't remember which prophecy this is from...but...let's assume he knows about it, because I'm sure he does. So who are Oberon's last daughters?
With all the prophesies out there I could be wrong, but I thought it was a specific one not from our campaign but the last one that said the woodshadow's blood or daughter would eliminate/kill the bluestar?.....Reason the bluestar specifically went after the Amastatia while the second child was still unborn.

But, in either case I don't think L'aurel counts anymore unless Selura has some strange conection in this ever growing family or unless being Oberon's Daughter is a spirit link and not blood.

PS- good list and link there! :)
 

The_Universe said:
As is often the case in real life, the fact that she has an enormous blue birthmark will distract a great deal from the rest of her facial features.
Instead of a silver spoon she is born with a silver mask :-P
 

On another note - I started an IC character conversation with everybody over Gmail. It may be a horrific disaster (and if it is, we'll ignore it) but I thought that getting some of that stuff out of the way might be beneficial to the fun quotient on Saturday.

Everybody's still free saturday, right?
 

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